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IWC: International Whaling Circus

Posted by ampontan on Sunday, June 29, 2008

We do not like (animals) much for themselves, for what they are — only for the fictions we have imposed upon them…We ascribe to the animals we like intelligence, compassion and a sense of playfulness; to those we despise stupidity, savagery and cold-bloodedness. The wolf, as a case in point, falls into the first category these days whereas 100 years ago it would have fallen most definitely into the latter.
– Rod Liddle, The Spectator

ONE OF MY UNCLES was known for having a quirky sense of humor. During the 1992 American presidential campaign, a three-way race involving George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and Ross Perot, he often said that he hoped for a Perot victory because “the circus over the next four years” would be hugely entertaining.

Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your taste in these matters), Perot lost, and Americans were instead treated to eight years of a different circus: the Clinton Administration, known in some quarters as the Exploding Cigar Presidency.

Who’s to say that a Perot Administration wouldn’t have been even more uproarious?

But with the emergence into the international Big Top of minor acts masquerading as center ring attractions, promoting self-important and eccentric notions as life-or-death issues, politics is no longer the only source for free circus entertainment. The ringmasters of the mass media give them microphones and the spotlight and give us the best seats in the house. Then they both turn all of us into their pantaloons.

The latest performance was sponsored by the International Whaling Commission during its annual meeting in Chile last week.

That doesn’t mean people were eating corn dogs and watching seals balance balls on the tips of their noses while the commission conducted its business. The delegates spent a week debating quotas and the question of whether the body should transform itself into a whale protection group or maintain its original function of being a conservation group. The countries that caught whales last year get to catch just as many whales this year. Meanwhile, meetings will continue to find a compromise between the whalers and the anti-whalers.

Japan can continue to hunt some 1,000 whales per year for scientific purposes after the International Whaling Commission (IWC) in Santiago agreed Wednesday to postpone any far-reaching decisions on the protection of these cetaceans.

But nothing ever stops the media from painting a different picture, however. How’s this for a lead sentence to a news report?

Whales emerged the big losers as a weeklong International Whaling Commission meeting wrapped up in Chile on Friday, said conservation groups…

Let’s try that same approach to rewrite a lead sentence from a different story that appeared a month ago.

Cows emerged as the big losers as the South Korean government lifted a ban on American beef imports, said vegetarian groups…

Take another look at that Rod Liddle quote at the top of the post. The man’s on to something.

The lead sentence of the news report is written to make it seem as if whales are just as involved as a human lobbying group. Strange ideas seem to have captured some elements of the popular imagination. Try this from a month ago.

Great apes should have the right to life and freedom, according to a resolution passed in the Spanish parliament, in what could become landmark legislation to enshrine human rights for chimpanzees, gorillas, orang-utans and bonobos.

Both reports start with assertive declarations of goofy ideas as if they were actual facts, followed with a few words to weasel out of any responsibility for the game being played.

1. Whales are the big losers—say conservation groups.

2. Great apes should have the right to life and freedom—according to a Spanish parliament resolution

And journalists wonder why so many people give them a hard time.

The biggest surprise of the IWC meeting didn’t involve Japan. Greenland, represented by Denmark, applied for permission to allow its aboriginal inhabitants to catch an additional 10 humpback whales in addition to the special whaling concession they already receive.

The IWC’s scientific body endorsed this request. But environmentalism is now the hip religion, and we all know how the scientist Galileo fared against the Church. The request was denied, with the EU voting as a bloc against it.

Some found the European tactic difficult to digest. As we recently saw, South Korea has stringent restrictions on whaling (despite a long Korean history of whale-eating), and the EU move cheesed even them off.

South Korea described the EU bloc vote as “interference with the legitimate process of this organisation and the due process of law”.

How much longer will it take the Koreans to realize that in these enlightened Dark Ages, religious faith in environmentalism transcends science and the due process of law?

For the real circus atmosphere, the media had to go outside the IWC venue itself. They filed more stories about the whaling circus than they did about the decisions of the international whaling body itself.

Such as:

From Australia to Japan, California to Chile, surfers around the world are uniting to protect humpback whales from world No.1 hunter Japan – by getting towns and communities to adopt the giant mammals. Sixty towns in Australia alone have adopted whales under the initiative by Surfers for Cetaceans, set up by surfers to protect whales and dolphins.

In Australia, the markings on humpbacks’ tails – dubbed fingerprints because they are unique – are lifted up over the entrances of towns that have adopted whales so the flourishing whale-watching industry there can identify its adoptees.

“No longer are they just a whale out there in the ocean, they are a whale with a story, a name, a family, a history and a personality. There are some that are theatrical in their approach when they come in touch with humans.”

Rod Liddle’s starting to look like a genius.

They also filed this detective story for mystery fans:

Forensic-style DNA sampling of whale meat in Japanese markets turned up fin whales that can’t be accounted for, Oregon State University’s Marine Mammal Institute reports….Meat from at least 15 individual fin whales was being sold in 2006 and 2007 — two more than the Japanese government reported killing as part of its scientific whaling program during the same period, Scott Baker, associate director of the institute, said Friday.

Consider if you will what sort of people would conduct “forensic-style DNA” sampling of whale meat in Japanese markets and trumpet the news that they found one John Doe whale a year.

Then consider what sort of people would think it was important.

Some people prefer eroticism to stories about sleuths:

For Yves Paccalet, a French naturalist and philosopher who helped push through the 1986 moratorium, the intelligent and highly-social creatures may be so exhausted from their centuries-long combat with humankind that they have simply have given up the fight.

“The psychological consequences of our aggression have compromised their will to live,” said Paccalet, who worked extensively with French marine explorer Jacques-Yves Cousteau. “To reproduce, whales need a large number of individuals to ensure that they meet, and then to frolic and excite each other. Otherwise, a species may give in to a kind of sexual melancholy and simply stops breeding,” he told AFP.

Fancy that: A Frenchman speculating on whale sexuality.

A media circus with whales as the main attraction isn’t complete without an article hinting that the Japanese are still the cruel, unfeeling beasts of World War II. After all, look at what they do to their own children!

Japanese 10-year-olds taken on school trips to whale slaughter

Japanese children as young as ten are watching whales being slaughtered to teach them the “cultural importance” of Japan’s controversial commercial whaling industry.

This was the lead to an article ostensibly about the IWC meetings.

Never mind that it’s not controversial in Japan. Never mind that the whales were already killed and the children watched them being processed, not “slaughtered”. Some of those children have already seen fish being cleaned—people do catch a lot of fish here–so the sight of a whale being cut up is unlikely to cause nightmares.

If they really needed a shocking, bloody word, they could have used “butchered” instead. But that might spoil the fun.

After all, isn’t that what Westerners do to cows?

There have to be clowns to make it a real circus, and when it comes to a whaling circus, there’s always one man who can be counted on to wear the cap and bells—Jolly Roger himself, Paul Watson of Sea Shepherd. Here’s one report:

Canadian-born renegade sea captain Paul Watson has set his sights on sinking Japan’s whaling industry, the largest in the world — and reckons he is halfway there.

He reckons he’s halfway there because the Japanese took only half of their whale quota last winter after he harassed them with just one ship. Now he’s going to get a second ship.

That’s reminiscent of the famous fictional seaman, Captain Queeg:

I proved with geometric logic that a duplicate key to the icebox existed.

Clown isn’t the only word that could be applied to Cap’n Watson, however. There’s also pirate. In an excerpt from a Newsweek interview:

Q: You have argued that your tactics are legal. How so?

A: We are upholding the UN Charter of Nature and operating within the principles of this charter which allows for non-governmental organizations to intervene to uphold international conservation law. For instance, in 1986, we sunk half of Iceland’s whaling fleet…

And vigilante

Sea Shepherd campaigns are guided by the United Nations World Charter for Nature. Sections 21-24 of the Charter provides authority to individuals to act on behalf of and enforce international conservation laws.

Go on a sea hunt of your own and see if you can spot any justification for his behavior in those sections.

And then there’s the word buffoon:

Paul Watson launched the 5th Sea Shepherd Antarctic campaign to stop Japanese whaling on Thursday June 26, 2008. The campaign is called Operation Musashi after the legendary Japanese strategist and samurai, Miyamoto Musashi, a personal role model and hero of Captain Watson. “Sea Shepherd intends to transform Setsuninto – the sword {harpoon} that takes life – to Katsujinken – the sword {harpoon} that gives life.” said the press release.

The media assures us that they are impartial, so surely there are stories presenting the opposite viewpoint. It took a bit of digging to find any, but here’s one about a colorful old salt from the whaling fleets. It starts off by telling us that the good guys in the white hats don’t like him:

Reviled by conservationists, Icelandic whale meat exporter Kristjan Loftsson is unapologetic, saying anti-whaling groups and nations are neurotic and that whale meat is highly profitable — and delicious.

“Those who speak loudest, the UK and US, Australia, they used to whale before but they couldn’t manage their whales, so everything is gone. So they have no interest in this any more,” Loftsson told Reuters in an interview.

“Whales are just like any ordinary fish,” he said. “But in Iceland the bottom line is it has to be sustainable. If it is sustainable you do it, and if it is not you stop. We also do that with fisheries, there’s no difference.”

“It tastes just like any ordinary, very good red meat. You can eat some of it raw. Depending on which loin (cut) of the whale, whale meat is most like tuna,” he added.

Just as consumers have to go upmarket to get quality in an automobile or fine wine, they also have to leave the mass market to get quality in journalism. The best place to find that last week was National Geographic:

If (Iceland, Norway, and Japan) are permitted to whale a little, the idea’s proponents argue, then their hunts can be monitored and the effects of these hunts better understood.

“It would resume our science-based methods for determining how many whales can be safely harvested from a particular population,” said Andrew Read, a marine conservation biologist at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, (who) has served on the IWC’s scientific committee for more than a decade.

Susan Lieberman is the director of the World Wildlife Fund’s global species program. She said whaling itself does not help conservation, but a compromise that ended unregulated killing would be worth considering. “I think governments have an obligation to try to see if they can bridge the gap here,” she said.

They even present an opposing viewpoint–but not first:

Patrick Ramage directs the global whale program for the International Fund for Animal Welfare, which opposes any compromise that would allow for a resumption of commercial whale hunts. “We should be discussing how Japan, Norway, and Iceland will join the vast majority of IWC member countries in putting down their harpoons, picking up cameras, [and] going whale watching,” he said.

No wonder those sensitive whales are sexually frustrated. Who could perform with all those voyeurs watching your every move—and taking pictures!

National Geographic also wonders why everyone focuses on Japan.

Why is Japan’s Whaling Bogeyman when Norway Hunts Too?

For the anti-whaling lobby, Japan appears to be its Moby Dick, a foe to be singled out and endlessly pursued…But are the attacks fair, when other nations also engage in substantial amounts of whaling—and unlike Japan, in open defiance of international conventions?

…Japan is the “head of the zombie and needs to be cut off,” said Willie Mackenzie, oceans campaigner for Greenpeace U.K…

…Shigeko Misaki, a former spokeswoman for the Japan Whaling Association, said the anti-whaling campaign has gone too far.

“It has almost become a religion, that whales are the only symbol of the marine ecosystem,” she said. “People who believe this religion think all Japanese people are evil, because we kill whales…

Claire Bass of the World Society for the Protection of Animals, conceded that cultural differences do color the debate.

“Japan manages whales under their fisheries agency. They basically see them as big fish,” she said. “We see them as intelligent, charismatic, captivating creatures. So I wouldn’t deny there’s a difference in the starting point at which we view whales.”

You did read that Rod Liddle quote a second time, didn’t you?

Once upon a time, the circus paraded through town, pitched its tent, gave a couple of weeks of performances, and then left for a new city. Now, driven by the demands of the infotainment culture, the print and visual media offer us fire-breathers, sword-swallowers, and bearded ladies 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

And they just give the tickets away.

Japan and Australia

Before the Chilean media extravaganza there was an overlooked prelude in Tokyo when Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd met Japanese Prime Minister Fukuda Yasuo.

Last year, when Mr. Rudd was still in the opposition, he was free to talk tough about the cetacean slaughterers. He vowed to track every move of the Japanese whaling fleet in the South Pacific to collect evidence and haul them before the International Court of Justice.

Now that Mr. Rudd is in office and his words actually have consequences, his attitude seems to have changed.

Rudd told reporters at a joint press conference after the meeting at Fukuda’s office:

”On whaling, Prime Minister Fukuda and I agreed that you can have disagreements between friends. We’ve also agreed that this disagreement should not undermine in any way the strength and positive nature of our overall bilateral relationship and we will be working in the period ahead diplomatically in search of the solution on this question.”

Did Mr. Fukuda remind his visitor that Japan is the biggest customer for many important Australian exports? It’s more likely that Mr. Rudd didn’t need to be reminded and turned out to be a paper tiger instead.

This did not go over well back home in Australia:

In 2005 Kevin Rudd said: “We cannot afford another year of complacency. The Howard government must act immediately to take Japan to the International Court of Justice.”

In 2007, the then leader of the Opposition said it was necessary to “take Japan to international courts such as the International Court of Justice or the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea to end the slaughter of whales”. He also said: “Obviously, that approach of international pressure through the IWC has not worked.”

The threat of taking Japan to the ICJ was not even raised in talks with Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda….What has become clear is that Australia stands to lose more at an international court than Japan because it would expose Australia’s tenuous legal position of controlling waters in the Southern Ocean.

Following this costly debacle, Australia then went to the IWC meeting in Chile with a radical proposal to completely invert the commission’s role and turn it into whale protection group completely banning whaling, instead of a whale harvesting body setting sustainable levels of the hunt.

On the other hand, Japan went to the IWC with a plan to avoid divisive votes for a year and reform the processes of the commission. Japan, as an act of good faith, continued its own suspension of the hunt for 50 humpback whales but has kept the legal right to take 900 whales next year.

But one Australian found out that not all Japanese are barbarous whale-murderers.

Australian Foreign Minister Stephen Smith met on the 26th for talks with Hatoyama Yukio, the secretary-general of the opposition Democratic Party of Japan. Here’s a story the latter told Mr. Smith, according to a report in the Sankei Shimbun.

“Actually, my wife served some home-cooked whale this morning. I don’t believe in eating whale, so I turned it down, but it is in fact a popular dish on the Japanese table.”

Back-translating from the translation into Japanese, Smith’s reply was, “You’re a braver man than I. My policy is to eat everything my wife serves.”

Mr. Hatoyama later said his wife had made a type of whale stew for breakfast. He also explained that he didn’t eat whales because people from the district he represents in Hokkaido were trying to develop whale watching as a tourism resource.

And yes, it is stretching it a bit to have us believe that the wife of a politician in his 60s doesn’t know he refuses to eat whale and serves it to him in a breakfast stew on the very morning he is to meet the Australian foreign minister.

But the Japanese will recognize the practical application of their proverb, uso mo hoben, or, circumstances may justify a falsehood. Mr. Hatoyama first established common ground with his visitor by telling him that he too, like most Australians, does not eat whale out of principle.

At the same time, he also made it known that plenty of Japanese like whales a lot–to eat. He then told the foreign minister that the extreme obstructionist tactics used by environmental groups for the whaling survey fleet “cannot be overlooked”.

I’m not sure that Mr. Smith swallowed the story about the breakfast any more than Mr. Hatoyama swallowed his wife’s whale stew.

But he certainly got the point, delivered most diplomatically.

23 Responses to “IWC: International Whaling Circus”

  1. mac said

    I have to admit that I skipped the bottom half of the article as it is ground we have covered many times before but I was amused by the French involvement investigating whale sexuality. Let me predict that it will be discovered that their are, in fact, gay and lesbian whales short after which the blubber slashers will find themselves not just facing the environmentalist lobby but also the queer one. And I know which will be the more disturbing and efficient of the two to your average whaling crew.

    In the spirit of peer review, it is correct of former spokeswoman Shigeko Misaki to state the whale is symbolic of the entire maritime eco-system … which is what the fight is about. Human’s unnecessary financial exploitation of living beings and natural resources and the irreparable damage it is causing. The science on that is inarguable. Just as, indeed, Peter Singer’s ‘Great Ape Debate’ is at the head and symbolic of the general animal rights movement.

    The animal rights movement is, quite rightly, starting with those beings that we have the greatest affinity but aiming at working its way down the chain as far as possible. Just as the women’s suffrage and anti-slavery movements did in their time.

    I must also fault your nationalist constructions given as to add value to your arguments. “Korea” does not have a “long history of whale-eating”. “Korea”, arguably, did not exist until when … post 1960s? Whale eating fishing villages have a long history of eating whales. You infer that their activity is some how a national standard. Such constructions and arguments, as the identical Japanese one, are false and immaterial.

    So what if they did … “everything changes” according to the Buddha who has a far greater claim on being a national standard in both nations.

    There was a term coined by Leo Strauss in the 50s for logic fallacies called … “reductio ad hitlerum”. I think ‘reductio ad nationalism’ is on a similar level.

    I challenge any thinking person to look at a picture of a black man eating the charred arm or a barbequed primate and feel a little discomfort.

    I cant find one right now but here are some other reference points. Both the whaling and the great ape debate include the same core issue … the question of ownership and the seemingly God given the capitalist market claim to unnecessarily exploit the shared commonwealth of this planet. The animal rights and environment movement signify the rise of democracy.



  2. ampontan said

    Mac–Serious question: What would you call it instead of Korea? I’m trying to do this site in a way that people who aren’t necessarily familiar with the region might still find interesting.

    “the people of the Korean Peninsula”?

    The last part is some stuff about PM Rudd meeting PM Fukuda, and FM Smith meeting DPJ guy Hatoyama. It’s not rehashed.

  3. Ken said

    Protected whales eat planktons, the feed of fish, or fish itself more and more.
    The quantity of fish is decreasing such as tuna by the influence of Japanese cuisine, etc.
    I look forward to what those hypocrites say when they have got to eat or at least hunt whales in the future.

    By the way, I wonder whether Australian PM arrested the suspects of Sea-shepherd though he promised to comform to justice.

  4. hoju_saram said

    Its easy to hand pick the most extreme elements of the anti-whaling lobby for target practice, without actually addressing any of the relevent issues that have been raised. What’s more laughable, someone who says that Whales are intelligent – great laugh, that one – or a body that claims to have a cultural mandate for kiling them, when we all know that there is no link between seaborne slaughterhouses operating on the other side of the world and traditional whaling in Japanese coastal waters. Even beter – your quirky uncle would love this one – the need to harvest them on a massive scale to better manage them. Ha!

    Lets get to the crux of the matter so that you have something to actualy argue about instead of googling the silliest arguments you can find and barrel shooting them.

    Japan is targeted by anti-whalers because

    1. They hunt (or hunted until recently) whales that are endangered (fin) and vulnerbale (humpback). Cows are not endangered.

    2. They hunt these animals in what Australia considers territorial waters. Australia designated these waters as a breeding sanctuary, so that the whale stocks might increase from their current levels.

    3. Whale-watching is an important industry in Australia and the South Pacific. In Tonga and Fiji, for example, whale-watching is very important to their tourism industries, the funds benefiting many poor local communities. Also, people happen to like watching them, swimming with them and surfing with them (gasp!)

    4. The techniques used to kill whales are cruel when compared to other animals. Whales often take up to an hour or more to die.

    Japan is targeted by Australia more than, say, Norway, specificaly for reasons 2, and 3. Not, as you suggested before, out of some bizarre link to the Stolen Generation, which I stil haven’t managed to figure out yet.

    Perhaps, insead of talking about French sexual theorists, you might consider actually arguing about the points in contention. Just an idea.

  5. Bender said

    I’m addicted to TV and watch it a lot here in the U.S., but the whaling issue is almost never covered. Although the U.S. is often listed as being one of the biggest anti-whaling countries, I seriously believe most Americans care less.

    The proximity of Australia to the whale-hunting grounds might explain why the issue is so big down under. However, do Aussies go whale-watching in Antarctic waters? I hardly believe so. Like, how many days will it take to get there? And the Australian claims to Antarctic waters are tenuous, as one Australian press points out (I like their frankness!).

    So I buy only #2 from hoju’s argument. I’d have to add #5, which is racial/cultural prejudice. That lame beer commercial speaks millions. I believe this is working both ways (the Japanese also have prejudice on their side), which makes this issue difficult to resolve. Anyways, if you want to save the whales, stop calling the Japanese “barbaric” or “cruel”. It makes the situation worse. And I don’t think anyone has proved whales are sentient. Unless I hear from a veggie, I can hardly buy the “cruel” argument. So it is a cultural issue after all.

    The ape argument I don’t really get either. Eating apes is disgusting because they’re so humaniform. I’d equate that “disgust” with the disgust most people feel over the idea of munching cockroaches for lunch.

  6. Aceface said

    “Its easy to hand pick the most extreme elements of the anti-whaling lobby for target practice, without actually addressing any of the relevent issues that have been raised. ”

    True.But that’s exactly a kinf of group who are getting at our ships.

    For your argument #1.
    Japan haven’t hunt Humpback.We planned after we have cinsulted with the scientific commitee of IWC and was told that they are capable of being hunted under controlled numbers.However,Tokyo dumped the plan to save the face of Canberra.And about Fin Whales,they are more numoreous than the Humpback.

    #2. “They hunt these animals in what Australia considers territorial waters. ”

    This claim is not recognized by the vast majority of the world.Only four nations support it and Japan do not.
    Taking this issue to the ICJ is an idea.But we probably win or at least,won’t lose.Anyway,shouldn’t this be discussed in IWC first of all?

    #3. “Whale-watching is an important industry in Australia and the South Pacific. ”

    So is whale hunting in Japan.But I think we are not conducting wahling in the legitimate Australian waters,thus the impact is small,especially we are not targeting Humpback.

    #4.This is plain rediculous since whales would’ve killed and be eaten anyway.
    However,I believe any whalers would welcome in open hand that new state-of-the-art hunting device being invented at the cost of those who oppose the Norweigian harpoon.

  7. stereo said

    Hojusaram,
    1. They hunt (or hunted until recently) whales that are endangered (fin) and vulnerbale (humpback). Cows are not endangered.

    Japan hunts Minke Whales, which are not endangered. Leave Japan hunting Minke whales.

    2. They hunt these animals in what Australia considers territorial waters. Australia designated these waters as a breeding sanctuary, so that the whale stocks might increase from their current levels.

    That territorial claim is valid only if Antarctica belongs to Australia. It does not.

    3. Whale-watching is an important industry in Australia and the South Pacific. In Tonga and Fiji, for example, whale-watching is very important to their tourism industries, the funds benefiting many poor local communities. Also, people happen to like watching them, swimming with them and surfing with them (gasp!)

    So what? Same to you. “Whaling is an important industry in Japan. People happen to like eating them.”

    4. The techniques used to kill whales are cruel when compared to other animals. Whales often take up to an hour or more to die.

    This argument is as absurd as such arguments like “whales are intelligent.”

  8. hoju_saram said

    Bender, whales migrate. Think about it.

    For the record, I think Japan should be allowed to hunt Minke whales, but I think Fins and Humpbacks should be left alone for at least half a dozen years so that they’re numbers can recover. I don’t think that’s too unreasonable. That way the whaling industry could become sustainable, and the whale-watchers in the South Pacific and Australia can still operate. Win-win.

    As the part about cruelty, I fully achknowledge that other animals are killed for meat, but because whales are so large, and because their organs are so difficult to get at, they often die much more slowly (up to an hour and a half in some cases – the Japanese whalers fully admit that most of their catch takes a long time to die) than, say, cows.

    And why is it so laughable and absurd to say that whales are intelligent? I’ve surfed with dolphins and whales since I was a kid, and I’ve been diving with whales and had them circle me and study me from up close. They’re smart, curious animals.

  9. Aceface said

    “For the record, I think Japan should be allowed to hunt Minke whales, but I think Fins and Humpbacks should be left alone for at least half a dozen years so that they’re numbers can recover.”

    Sounds reasonable enough.Deals between you and me are settled.

    Yeah,dolphins and whales are smart.But so are cows and whalers.
    Things confuses us is this weird animal right logic and conservationist logic are mixed and never allows any counterargument.

  10. Bender said

    Actually, I’m against whale culling. I’ve been to Sidney couple of times and once there was this young baleen whale that came into the harbor where you can see it right close from the shore. Quite majestic animals.

    In fact, I feel uncomfortable when people squish bugs or kill snakes for no apparent reason, too. But I’m a hypocrite so I continue to consume animal flesh.

  11. Ken said

    “But I’m a hypocrite so I continue to consume animal flesh.”; Bender,

    How about saying a word before meals like traditional Japanese, “Itadakimas.”
    The word means, “Please allow me to have you to let me survive.”, to all lives of served food including even plants.
    Some Japanese do not seem to know the meaning nowadays, though.
    I have heard a parent protested the kid’s teacher not to let the kid say the word as the parent had paid fee for meal service in school so that the kid did not need to be allowed by anybody. Stupid-man!

  12. mac said

    The Great Ape Debate, to which the Whale debate is closely akin, is not about “disgust” but the expansion of humanity’s moral circle to grant some basic rights to non-human animals: life, liberty, and the prohibition of torture and exploitation.

    The Great Apes are intelligent mammals with strong emotions that in many ways resemble our own; have long-term relationships not only between mothers and children, but also between non-relatives, they grieve, they can solve complex puzzles that stump human children, they can learn hundreds of signs,

    Excluding even their navigation and communicative skills … so do whales.

    Whites males could only bludgeon blacks, enslave asians, deny women rights and remove their property as long as they could pretend that they too were not equally sentient beings. Whereas as ‘your monkey’ falls within your geographic legislative authority. ‘Your whale’ falls within my geographic legislative authority as well. So it is equally my business. And in that it traverses communal international waters, it is protected by all of our collective interests.

    What is intelligence?

    Sustainability … or now nuclear powered genocide? Humanity has proven its self most skill at the latter and negligent to the former whereas other mammals have evolved to be skilled at the former and inactive at the latter. They consume only their need, not their greed.

    Edo was, and Japan could be again, sustainable if and when it returns to its primarily plant based economy (not just lifestyle). Japan, Inc is, of course, a rabid consumer of Australia’s and America’s beef and other mammal based industries.

    This returns post-industrial societies to some of the most intrinsic and unresolved philosophical debates at the; the spiritualism versus materialism of the C19th (soul, consciousness, being and the rights to life it affords), the questions surrounding the rights of capital and the construction of nationalism as a political and economic tool by small social elites.

    Most folks on internet are too young and uneducated to realise that ‘nationalism’ is a very, very modern mental construct that is still being developed. Most humans today live like apes or whales in small family groups or tribes tied by emotional bonds and united by the need of sustenance, even in cities. Take away oil tomorrow, (which is necessary even to product alternative energy) and they will revert ape like states.

    Despite the lines drawn in the sand by the imperialist. The vast majority of humanity lived without any concept of national identity and were entirely unenfranchised into national interests. Most remain so. Hence it is entirely wrong to talk about The Japanese or The Korean and especially to transpose our evolving national identity back into the past.

    Those so-called national interests, whether Zaibatsu or East Indian traders were multi-national corporate interests, and so were the empires that grew from them. Hence for practical reasons, fishing towns ate seafood, mountain town ate mountain food. even today, where I live everything has fish in it. I drive into the mountains, dashi is mushrooms with no fish.

    I cant see how you can avoid falling into the pit of the popular media ampontan, I did not mean this as a personal criticism. I just wanted to address the error of conception. Modern Korea, and Post-Maoist China, are young and inexperienced nationalist experiments. Korean appears to have a particularly immature, volatile and virulent form of it and yet the common people of Joseon were utterly unenfranchised. Arguably they had a better deal under the Japanese rule, as bad as it was, and have really only emerged into nationhood since the 80s and are entrenched into creating a false history and national identity. Just how you summarise THAT in every article is beyond me.

    Honestly, I have tried saying “Itadakimas” before killing, raping, sex slaving and murder and, to be frank … scientifically speaking … it really does not make any difference.

    Calculating the environmental impact of our lifestyles IS the new prayer.

  13. mac said

    Incidentally, Chimpanzees and bonobos are our closest relatives. We humans, not gorillas or orangutans, are their closest relatives. A group of scientists at the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences recently proposed that chimpanzees have been shown to be so close to humans genetically that they should be included in the genus Homo.

    What extending basic rights to mammals means is that they will cease to be mere inanimate “things”.

    The opponents to this are not the philosophers or the common people, they are the capitalist forces and they are anxious to keep control how we think about these things. Absolute materialists denying the existence of being that extends even over other humans if and when they can.

    They recognizes the strength of the case for extending rights to great apes and other higher mammals such as whales but they worry that this may pave the way for the extension of rights to all mammals, or all animals. They could be right. Hence the lines of the battle are now drawn here.

  14. ampontan said

    Mac: This is impossible to discuss in the comments section of a website (takes too long to write and be sensible at the same time), but the whole problem I have with the concept of animal rights is not with the animals themselves, but the conception of rights. (Bender and I have gone on about this in other discussions.)

    For me, the entire concept of rights includes not just what one gets, but also what one has to take upon oneself to extend to others, i.e., the responsibility to respect the rights of others. It’s a two-way street.

    Animals are incapable of assuming responsibility for the rights of others. They can only act according to their nature and instincts.

    And yes, I know you can argue that that’s all human beings do too, but that discussion can get really long!

  15. mac said

    Much of humanity itself fails responsibility to respect the rights of others … do the “rights” of beasts not extend as far as freedom of unfettered exist and interference in their own natural environment?

    I accept your apology of the limitations of discussion. At least to the degree that we have to shelf the spiritualism (philosophical) versus the materialism date, e.g. are whales/animal sentient beings or just “natural resources”.

    I think you ought conceive of it is a three way street.

    what one gets
    what one extend to others
    what one destroys and removes through one’s unpremeditated negligence

    If you score it on that level, the human branch of the evolutionary tree fails worst than all and any other and therefore, by your argument, should have the least amount of rights.

    If one included what one’s species not only gives .. but what it takes away, then human kind starts look a lot less intelligent and flattering, and those species that are adapted within the realms of relative sustainability actually score as the most intelligent/worthy etc.

    It is interesting to note that the Great Ape Debate actually arose from Philosophy NOT environmentalism or “animal rights” movement per se. It is part of a continuum that includes previous debates over whether black people or women have souls etc and their rights. The harden attitudes of commercial whalers or the ridiculous posturing of their apologists are in the same ballpark as the colonial imperialists of the past.

    Expansive musings be it may, I am interested in the equation where European Post-Industrial Materialism met Japanese form of Buddhist society and Bushido leading ultimately to WWII. By taking (or having) no “soul”, no sentience, no individuality, no feeling out of your enemy or other species … any inhumane exploitation become possible.

    This is what wartime propagandists did and what whalers and drug companies continue to do.

  16. mac said

    Sorry that should read … “freedom of unfettered existence and freedom from interference in their own natural environment?”

    Ergo, if we are to play the game … is humanity not outstepping its natural environment chasing whales down to the Antarctic?

  17. Bender said

    Mac:
    Where are we supposed to draw the line? For example, I observe otters as being playful & joyous beings, but I guess only whales and great apes are qualified in the sentient circle of things? Unless if one embraces the vegetarian mode of life, any distinction between animals seem somewhat artificial- yes, man-made.

    And how do you know veggies and trees have no “spirits”? Going back to the Edo-period way of thinking may take us to that, too.

  18. Ecoutez said

    Mac,

    I had some sympathy for your arguments (though not agreement) until you started equating whaling with wartime propaganda, imperialism, and….”drug companies”??

    The important thing to remember about “rights” is that whales have no concept of them. They, like pretty much every lifeform on earth, kill and consume freely and without guilt whenever the impulse strikes (whales, as you may know, are carnivorous predators, which evolved from bear-like land mammals). Human beings are the only species known to have moderated their behavior with concepts like rights. It therefore becomes highly suspect (to people other than Pete Singer) as to whether something can “have rights” without any concept either of “rights” or of “having.”

    This does not abdicate humanity from its own responsibility to refrain from imposing undue suffering upon the animal kingdom, of course. But there are many different cultures and value systems in the world, and ultimately, the very same humility that would lead us to respect animal life should also lead us to respect that other cultures have different relationships to nature. In the case of Japanese whaling, it seems to me that it largely feeds a market of old-timers, who developed a taste for it during and after ww2. In another 20 years, this market may have passed on completely, and as will have the practice of whaling in Japan.

    There’s nothing wrong with speaking up for the animal kingdom, but often activists are guided by religious fervor rather than reason. Their “love” for a certain suffering animal du jour clouds perception. In your construct, isn’t it just as wrong to turn animals like whales and dolphins into fetishes? (I’m not saying you are doing this per se, only that it is frequently done). People admire dolphins, for instance, because they think they’re cute and peaceful, even though they are in fact some of the nastiest and most diabolical creatures on the planet (by human standards).

    All I’m saying is – if the animal kingdom had technology, we would be meat.

  19. Ken said

    ‘Itadakimas’ would have felt disgusted with being used by those who do not have normal mind.

  20. mac said

    > All I’m saying is – if the animal kingdom had technology, we would be meat.

    😉 The mosquitos around here are already proving that point! it is difficult, as ampontan points out, to develop a complex argument on a comment page of a blog.

    The correlation between wartime propaganda (of all nations) and the influence of the animal testing (drug corps) and whaling industries onto the animal rights and whaling debate is very similar.

    In both cases, it is only by de-animating, literally removing the anima or sentience, of ‘the other’ that those in positions of power are able to great and manipulate mass opinions to allow them carry out the abuses of power that they profit from; whether it was slavery, “Slapping those Stinking Japs” or denying blacks and womanhuman rights.

    The moment the other was conceived of as thinking, feeling and individual the abuse became difficult. Toothy psychopaths are nukeable. Little old ladies and baby children are not. Whales or cows as inanimate “natural resource” like as oil or gypsum are exploitable. As touchie feelie sentient beings, it become more difficult to sell the idea. We are at a point in history where we can almost trace to the person or society that change of awareness … the Wilberforces, Gandhis, civil rights movement etc.

    Why whales and great apes stand out is that species of both (not all) have scientifically been proven even to a dumb human being level, to exhibit a sense of self-recognition, selfhood. Trees etc have not. We know they have sentience, we know that they can think and communicate at a human level … we do not know what they think yet.

    Ultimately, I see it all as a part of the madness of the great energy glut. Come its end, the fields will be less than level again. Human will be at a massive disadvantage (having no surface metals, no sustainable energy and an entirely unsustainable civilisation). At that point we will be back to being food for the worms … once we thaw out again.

    As i said before, I think humanity fails the humanity test badly. Sure, I accept that some whales are basically ‘Hells Angels’ but then so are Hells Angels, and so was the British Empire before them and New World Order after them.

    I do not know … why are we here, what is the meaning of life, how does it all relate to the actual article above?

  21. mac said

    An interesting update given the annual resurgence of the great whaling debate where Japanese corporate interests are trying to wangle in a thin end of a wedge on the basis of securing quasi-commercial quotas for four coastal communities with a history of whaling.

    At last someone has stated the obvious …

    Whale-watching generates tourism revenue of about $2.1bn (£1.3bn) per year around the world, dwarfing the international income from whaling slaughter which is measured in tens of millions of dollars.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8115175.stm

    I am quite sure $2.1bn is more in tourist money that coastal dolphin blood baths or the “ancient tradition” of rocket handgrenades into the brains of higher mammals, hooking them on chains and letting them die for an hour and half will ever bring in too. What is the capitalist argument? A few trading companies want repayments on their investment in factory sized slaughterships … and that become a key nationalist policy!?!

    What is wrong with tofu if you are hungry? If it is too bland, use some sauce or develop your own new product.

  22. Geena said

    In reference to Bender ~ I think most Americans aren’t aware that the antiquated practice of whaling is still happening. But we will be changing that.

    In terms of Japanese being mad for eating Whale, why is there so little demand for it that Japan currently has a massive back stock of around 40 million servings sitting in freezers around the country?

    And while you think it’s laughable that we enjoy the concept of whales swimming free without harpoon ships chasing them, we think it’s far more laughable that you are enthusiastically filling your gobs with mercury laced meat just to be spiteful. Just demonstrates you’re remarkably evil and devoid of soul.

  23. bender said

    Greena:
    Don’t take me wrong- I’m against whaling. I’m more close to tree-huggers than you may think. In fact, I am a tree-hugger. I’m kind of more interested in saving little critters like frogs and butterflies.

    But arguing that cetaceans should not be culled because of their big brains isn’t convincing the Japanese populace at all, so you should take a different approach. Anyhow, calling someone “evil” is the last thing you should do!

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