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Japan to add language requirements for long-term visas?

Posted by ampontan on Wednesday, January 16, 2008

FREQUENT COMMENTER MAC sent along a link to a BBC report in the comments section that was too interesting to stay buried:

Officials are investigating how a scheme adding a language requirement for long-term residency visas and work permits could be implemented.

Capital idea!

As with every question, there are of course pros and cons.

The pro:

Officials say Japan’s Foreign Minister, Komura Masahiko, has long held the view that it would be better if long-term visitor (sic) could speak Japanese. Mr Komura says…it would improve their quality of life, and society as a whole here would benefit too.

He hits the bulls-eye with the first reason.

The con:

But some here fear that requiring all foreign workers to learn Japanese before they arrive could harm Tokyo’s efforts to attract international business and to compete with other Asian cities like Singapore and Hong Kong.

Requiring language proficiency of all foreign workers would definitely cause problems for the businesses in every sector in which they are employed. It would not cause serious problems by demanding the same of long-term residents, however.

But this is the BBC, so they will find a way to cast Japan in a negative light. Here’s how they conclude their report:

Last year an opinion poll carried out for the government found that more than half the foreigners who live in areas where they mix with Japanese people would like more opportunities to interact with them. But only one in 10 of the Japanese living in the same areas wanted to talk to someone from abroad.

That raises more questions than it answers. “More than half of the foreigners”? How much more than half? This suggests that a significant percentage of foreigners don’t want any more opportunities to interact with Japanese than they already have.

If that’s the case, one has to wonder what they’re still doing here. They can’t all have been assigned to work in Japan against their wishes by their employers.

And how was that last question for Japanese worded? Were Japanese-fluent foreigners specified, or just foreigners?

If it were the latter, it would be understandable. Who wants to hang out with someone you can’t understand? (Only the adventuresome, the bored, or the inebriated.)

I doubt very much it was the former. Japanese-fluent foreigners get to talk to everybody. Most Japanese are thrilled to be able to converse with a foreigner who understands Japanese. I take a brisk, hour-long walk every morning before starting work, and I can’t count all the people I wind up talking to: The guy who runs the hardware store on the corner down the block, a young guy doing the laundry for a hotel, an old man running a bicycle shop, a young woman going to work at the supermarket, the entire track team from a local girls’ high school (and their teacher/coach), grade school kids on their way to school, and the other people out walking the same course at the same time.

And I don’t consider myself any more gregarious than the average person.

But of course, people aren’t stupid. If I were part of that category of foreigner who wasn’t interested in more interaction with Japanese, all of those people would sense it without having to talk to me.

And that just might edge them into the category of Japanese who didn’t want to talk to anyone from abroad.

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19 Responses to “Japan to add language requirements for long-term visas?”

  1. desslok said

    Isn’t the UK requiring the same thing of foreign workers already?

  2. Aceface said

    The irony for me is it was nobody but Komura Masahiko who addressed this statement.

    You see,I knew his son Masahiro,waay back in elementary school in Kichijyoji in the 70’s.
    I think he had some hard times speaking Japanese properly back then….

  3. Overthinker said

    And of course it’s more logical to assume that most people who come to Japan have some interest in talking with the natives, but that most natives do not have an over-riding desire to necessarily talk to foreigners.

  4. Bern said

    This is a very bad idea. Just like the finger printing at the immigration for non Japanese.

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  6. Taiko666 said

    >>Isn’t the UK requiring the same thing of foreign workers already?<<

    Absolutely not. What makes you think so?

    The EU is a completely free market. Any EU citizen can live and work in any other EU country, regardless of language ability.

    And there are no requirements even for non-EU workers to know English.

    But anyone applying for UK citizenship needs to demonstrate a certain level of English ability.

  7. Bruce Smith said

    I think it would be quite a reasonable requirement. But I doubt that Japan can afford to do it from an economic point of view.

  8. Aceface said

    I don’t know about UK,but according to this Shukan Economist special article,France has basically stopped accepting non-EU citizens as migrant worker since 1974.And now has stricter laws to have immigrants learn the language,even to the spouse visa holders.Germany and the Netherland also has same sort of law made recently.

    “And of course it’s more logical to assume that most people who come to Japan have some interest in talking with the natives, but that most natives do not have an over-riding desire to necessarily talk to foreigners.”

    Not exactly.The situation that GoJ has in mind is places like Oizumi of Gunma,now has big community of Portuguese speaking population that newcomers don’t even need to learn Japanese.And they stop sending kids to the school even their kids are within the age group that requires compulsory education.So we now have about approximately 15000 Brazillian drop out kids.

    Places like Gunma,Shizoka and Aichi actually has Portuguese substitutes at the schools.The school I saw in Oizumi has Brazillian students about 40% of the class.So bullying in school or linguistic isolation is not the main reason for school drop-outs.It’s the parents who are not very keen to send their kids to school.And there are many disfunctional Brazillian families in Japan.

    Japanese constitution has made compulsory education as parental obligation,but that does not applied to foreign national.That’s why 90% of crimes committed by Brazillian in Japan are caused by underaged.And that has become a serious problem.

    I don’t think Chinese nor Korean have this sort of problem,for they are very keen on education of their childresn.I even know some Chinese reject sending their kids to Japanese schools for “lacking competitions in the carriculum” and send their kids back to China.

    I think BBC report is missing the key point here just as that WaPo report on the robot and immigration.

  9. Jim Peel said

    Requiring language proficiency of all foreign workers would definitely cause problems for the businesses in every sector in which they are employed. It would not cause serious problems by demanding the same of long-term residents, however.

    I agree with you completely here, Ampontan. The thing is, Komura said those “staying” in Japan, not those “residing.” Those are different terms with different legal meanings. Komura being a lawyer, he surely knew what he was saying. Furthermore, he was talking about visas. The only “long-term” visas are spousal/dependent visas and refugee visas and those were pointedly not what he was talking about. While it makes sense to expect long-term residents to have some level of Japanese proficiency, “long-term resident” or “living here for years” is not a legal visa category. There is no legal difference between someone on his fifth extension of a working visa and someone just starting out on his first.

    What Komura was explicitly talking about were people on working visas, by definition “short-term.”

    This doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea to require some level of Japanese proficiency, but whom Komura was discussing should be made clear.

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  11. Baramatsu said

    “long-term resident” is in fact a visa category. It’s listed as such on gaimusho website.

  12. ampontan said

    The thing is, Komura said those “staying” in Japan, not those “residing.”

    The BBC article said he referred to “long-term visitor(s)”. Do you have a link where he said the other? Not challenging you, just want to know. Japanese is fine.

  13. bingobangoboy said

    If the government were to make Japanese proficiency a prerequisite for a visa, it better be prepared for a huge influx of pasty nerds who can’t carry a conversation about anything except Gundam, because that’s about all that will be available in the foreign labour pool.
    If 2nd+ generation Brazilians (et al) are the problem, then it truly is a boneheaded proposal, though fully in line with the sort of half-baked grumbling also common in Western countries.
    If the parents are already flaunting the law by keeping the kids out of class, then a law requiring that the kids go to (Japanese) class isn’t a solution. And if the kids don’t manage to learn Japanese, what is the government to do? Deport the kids?
    And as a simple but not immaterial point about the BBC’s poll issue, “want to talk to *more* (foreigners)” is not equivalent to “want to talk to (foreigners).” Although I don’t think any conclusions could be drawn even if the questions were equivalent.

  14. Aceface said

    “If the parents are already flaunting the law by keeping the kids out of class, then a law requiring that the kids go to (Japanese) class isn’t a solution. And if the kids don’t manage to learn Japanese, what is the government to do? Deport the kids?”

    The parents are not flaunting the law,for they are not Japanese national.And GoJ has no way to enforce foreign citizens to goto Japanese school.

    The whole idea is that the kids probably won’t learn a word of Japanese if their parents wouldn’t learn by themselves.Period.

    But then again the statemen above is coming from komura,Minister of Foreign affaris,not Educational minister nor Minister of Justice,Minister of health,labour and welfare.Naturally Komura’s statement became pretty vaugue statement.

  15. Overthinker said

    “And GoJ has no way to enforce foreign citizens to goto Japanese school.”

    Why not? What’s stopping them? The GOJ is usually pretty good at forcing foreigners to do other things. Or don’t they actually want them to?

  16. Shiai said

    I have to disagree with you Aceface. Second generation kids mediate two cultures–liguistically or otherwise–and it’s them who will most often speak Japanese in their family. Blaming the parents for their dropouts misses the difficult identity the kids grow up with. You think the parents want their kids to drop out of school to work shit jobs? More likely the kids don’t feel like they have a place in either Brazil or Japan and decide to unplug from the whole thing. And if all their friends are doing it–why not? I agree with you that parents have a role in keeping their kids in school, but the situation for these kids is not easy. And once you get a culture of failure, common in low-income areas, its like fighting the tide.

  17. bender said

    Check this out:

    http://www.mext.go.jp/a_menu/kokusai/kouryu/05093001/003_7.htm

    It seems that while it is not mandatory for children of foreign nationality to attend school, they can if they wish, and it will be free of charge. I don’t know how this compares to other countries. Maybe this stance may be considered “passive”. However, making it mandatory may be a problem, as there are many foreign nationals who don’t want their children to go to Japanese schools.

  18. Aki said

    Overthinker,

    The reason Japanese government cannot enforce foreign citizens to go to Japanese schools is that many zainichi Koreans have been against receiving compulsory education in Japanese schools. Although a lot of zainichi children go to Japanese schools these days, many parents stil want to educate their children in Korean schools. For them, compulsory education in Japanese schools is nothing but forced assimilation for erasing their racial identity.

    What makes the issue complicated is that, since Korean schools have not allowed Japanese government to inspect their curricurum, Japanese government cannot recognize the Korean schools as schools that are equivalent to Japanese schools. So children who graduated Korean schools cannot be officially recognized as those who received compulsory education. In case of other international shools such as American shools, they allow Japanese government to inspect their curricurum. So graduates of those shools are officially regarded as those who received compulsory education.

    If Japanese government enforced foregin children to receive compulsory education, it would also have to enforce Korean children to receive the one, otherwise some Korean would complain about the situation regarding it as discrimination against Koreans. However, as noted above, many other Koreans are against receiving compulsory education in Japanese schools. They would complain about the situation regarding it as forced assimilation.

    If Korean schools allowed Japanese government to inspect their curricurum, the problem would be easily solved. However, it seems to be difficult for them to allow Japanese government to inspect their curricurum.

    Chongryon’s Website (www.chongryon.com/j/edu/index6.html) describes the Korean school’s position (in Japanese).

  19. Aceface said

    “You think the parents want their kids to drop out of school to work shit jobs? More likely the kids don’t feel like they have a place in either Brazil or Japan and decide to unplug from the whole thing.”

    Exactly,Shiai.And I don’t disagree with you in any sense.
    Thing is,some Brazillian parents do exactly that.
    Because a)They didn’t “plan” to stay in Japan that long.But end up staying here.
    b)The divorce rate of Brazillian workers are pretty high,because usually the case is
    both husband and wife have jobs but not stable jobs.
    So they have to move to where the jobs are,and in many cases they live separately.
    Eventually leads to break up of the relations.And the kids are the most who suffers.
    c)There are lots of kids like above in Shizuoka,Aichi,Gunnma and Nagano.And usually
    making some groups to hung around during supposed to be school hours.
    That attracts potentially drop-outs.

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