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Japan launches YouTube salvo against Australia

Posted by ampontan on Monday, January 7, 2008

IT APPEARS THAT SOMEONE IN JAPAN has decided that enough is enough and they’re not going to take it lying down anymore.

There is now a 10-minute video on YouTube with English and Japanese titles that contains the following:

  • The claim that Australia is a white supremacist nation prejudiced against the Japanese, backed by images from the Cronulla race riots
  • The claim that Aboriginals and Asians are second-class citizens in Australia
  • Several images of slain dingoes, which it claims are an endangered species, a wallaby being killed by a child slamming it against a wall, and a man taking a baby kangaroo from its mother’s pouch and stomping on it
  • A young Australian woman using her hands to eat what seems to be a kangaroo limb at a barbecue, while a young Japanese woman delicately eats some whale with chopsticks as part of a larger meal. (The Australian woman is standing up while eating, or tachigui, which is considered rude in Japan. This subtlety will probably be lost on the Australians.)
  • An excerpt of a beer commercial in which two restaurant employees kill an obese Japanese who orders the whale course. The commercial calls for a boycott of Kirin. The Japanese brewer protested, saying they have nothing to do with whaling, and that the commercial is racist.

The Australians don’t care for the video very much, as you can see from the article here. Here is the link to the YouTube video.

The article says:

The video will inflame already high tensions between Australia and Japan over the whaling issue.

Sorry, but that excuse cuts very little ice with me. As we used to say in America when I was growing up, “You can sure dish it out, but you can’t take it.”

The article, of course, continues to self-righteously dish it out. Note their choice of words (emphasis mine):

The Japanese whaling fleet, which is in Antarctica hunting the sea giants, aims to slaughter up to 935 minkes and 50 endangered fin whales this summer.

The first word of the photo caption accompanying the article is “smear”.

I have no idea who put it together. They should have used a native-speaking translator for the English, but the language is very understandable.

Those who want to debate the accuracy of the Japanese claims, or the appropriateness of the tone, can do so in the comments section. What interests me is that the Japanese are finally starting to respond to the mudslinging to which they are subjected from some quarters overseas.

It’s about time. My only suggestion is that they use a bit more professional polish to package their rebuttals in the future.

And to those Australians who don’t care for it: Quit your whingeing, mates. The truth hurts. If you don’t like being on the receiving end of it for a change, you’ve got no one to blame but yourselves.

Update: AFP is carrying a report that says the YouTube video now has 100,000 hits and counting. Meanwhile, Australian Foreign Minister Stephen Smith says:

“It is un-tasteworthy in the extreme, that’s the kindest thing I can think to say about it,” Smith told reporters. “Its general overtone, its general content, I absolutely condemn. It’s anonymous, so that tells you something before we even start.”

In other words, it’s just fine for Australians to broadcast and disseminate the bloodiest possible images of Japanese whaling ships catching whales, use language like “slaughter” and “kill”, and compare the act to cannibalism and human slavery, but when the Japanese broadcast and disseminate images of Australians doing the same thing to dingoes, wallabies, and kangaroos, and then eating the kangaroo at a barbecue, it’s “un-tasteworthy in the extreme”.

Having one’s hypocrisy exposed can be uncomfortable, can’t it?

But untasteworthy? I’m not so sure. I’ve eaten kangaroo, and it’s not bad.

But I think whale is better.

81 Responses to “Japan launches YouTube salvo against Australia”

  1. john k said

    The Japanese do not want to get “into the mud and sling it”. As soon as they do, whatever their arguement, they will have lost. If they wish to rebuttle, they should do so away from the mud!

    I lived in Australia for 3 years….they can take anything anyone wishes to dish out to them and then some…the Japanese better be prepared for a very harsh return.

    This attempt will end in tears, and it won’t be the Aussie’s, that’s for sure. They are messing with the wrong country when it comes to jibes…

  2. Aceface said

    Ooooh,So now they are writing article on YouTube now,Huh?

    My understanding of Aussie media/Korean media in English.

    Check this out.Ausralian Broadcasrting Corporation using Reuter article.
    “Aussie author threatened over royal book”
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/22/2011521.htm

    (QUOTE)

    Hills says he has received several anonymous emails in the run-up to the translation’s publication.

    “‘Die white pork’ was one of them,” he told Reuters by telephone.

    “Of course I feel threatened. I’m not very amused.”
    (QUOTE ENDS)

    Scarrrry!!! I would imagine Mr.Mills has never seen any of those 2channel threads in his life.

    I’ve found this on Far Eastern Econimic review’s Traveler’s Tale blog.
    http://www.feer.com/tales/index.php?s=japan

    (QUOTE)
    Australian journalist Ben Hills and his book “Princess Masako: Prisoner of the Chrysanthemum Throne” are in the news again. The critical look at the Japanese royal family has thrown Japan’s ultra-nationalist right into a tizzy as the September deadline for its publication in Japanese approaches. All too predictably, Mr. Hill has been the target of racist death threats and his publisher, Akira Kitagawa, intimidated by ultra-nationalists in their black cars shouting through loud speakers, “Stop the publication of Princess Masako.” Mr. Kitagawa has even been accused of being a former member of a terrorist organization in a vicious article from the weekly magazine Shukan Shincho. The values of democracy and free speech still have only a tenuous hold on Japanese society.

    (QUOTE ENDS)

    OK.I know “Die White Pork” is indeed a racistic and mentioning death.I sympathaize Mr.Mills very much and I apoligize on behalf of my countrymen.

    But could a hate mail kill a writer living in downunder thousand miles away from Japan?

    Slightly off topic:

    “Mr. Kitagawa has even been accused of being a former member of a terrorist organization in a vicious article from the weekly magazine Shukan Shincho. ”

    Akira Kitagawa the president of Dai San Syokan,the Japanese publisher of “Princess Masako..” was a member of Japanese Red Army in 70’s and was arrested for relating JRA’s attemp of kidnapping Japanese trade house employee in South East Asia.Shincho is accurate on this,FEER is not.

    I recommend you akk to check this blog and see what7s come out after search the word Japan.I was not very amused.

    Dai San Syokan is known for publishing Kaplan/Duplo’s “The Yakuza”,which was highly controvercial for mentioning many names of individuals including politicians that they are connected and lots of publishers rejected to publish the book for fear of influx of civil law suit.So in a way,the publishing company contributes for the freedom of speech in this country.
    Kitagawa is also known as the soulmate of SDJ politician and member of diet and one of the founder of “Peace Boat”tours,Tsujimoto Kiyomi.

    Needless to say,the book by Ben Mills,”Princess Masako:Prisoner of Chrysanthemum throne” is now on sale in every bookshops near you(the book was sold right next to the Japanese translation of Iris Chang’s “The rape of Nanking”that came out in December in my town),But not exactly a bestseller,I’m afraid.

  3. ampontan said

    The values of democracy and free speech still have only a tenuous hold on Japanese society.

    Either that or FEER still has only a tenuous understanding of Japanese society

  4. Bruce Smith said

    The video accusing Australians of being racist has of course stirred up the usual racism and assorted ignorance. It is of course true that many Australians are racist but equally it is true that many Japanese are racists. Also the Japanese goverfment is far more racist than the Australian government.

    As for the whales…… they are large fish that are delicious to eat. Australia should forget about the whales. On the other hand Japan doesn’t actually need a whaling industry so it’s all quite pathetic on both sides.

  5. Bruce Smith said

    P.S. Ben Mills is a loser.

  6. Bruce Smith said

    P.P.S. Did Ben Mills actually ever meet Princess Masako ? I presume not.

  7. Baltimoron said

    That’s a mature response, John K.!

    I would agree with Ampontan generally, but I think eating species should reflect the cost of wise stewardship of the harvest grounds and also any subsidization of workers and capital used to harvest them. There’s competing interest group competition here in both Australia and Japan, and really I think if whale-lovers or hunters had to pay for the cost of their livelihoods and hobbies, the taxpayers would put paid to this immaturity.

  8. Baltimoron said

    Also here’s the YouTube link, because the news.com.au video is not working:

  9. […] I think the Australians and Japanese should fight fair! Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and […]

  10. ampontan said

    Thanks for the link, Baltimoron. I’ve edited the post by inserting it.

  11. helical said

    IMO, this video is a poor attempt at a rebuttal and doesn’t help Japan’s position very much.

    Although it does claim and try to support its position (albeit with emotional arguments) that “Australia is a racist nation” implying that they are motivated by racism rather than a straightforward concern for the environment in criticizing the practices of the Japanese, it basically beats around the bush and attacks the Australian accusers’ credibility instead of countering each claim with rational arguments. Most often this quickly leads to nowhere in arguments.

    Also, this video does try to level the field in regards to the cruelty argument as well (“harpooning whales is a particularly cruel and inhumane act, etc. etc.”) where again, it attacks the credibility of the accusers by implicitly pointing out the lack of consistency in crying foul for hunting whales but apparently condoning what would be normally considered cruel acts against dingos and kangaroo babies.
    But as cruelty is subjective, I guess there isn’t much more one can do up this alley anyway.

    This video may help by calling wider attention to the issue with the racism hook, but after that it does more harm than good by clouding the whole issue with charges of hate and racism, leaving little room for discourse on the actual facts directly related to hunting whales.

  12. ponta said

    In a way the video shows the unyeilding spirit of some Japanese young people, I praise them in this regard, but right, it does more harm than good as Helical said. The-Australians-are-racist therefore-blablabla is no more logical than the-Japanese-are xenophobia-therefore-blablabla. And both “arguments” will only leave the resentment on the other side.(For some reason, it sometimes happens that western media and some human right activists also appeal to the latter type of the “argument”, though)
    As a result, as Bruce Smith said,

    The video accusing Australians of being racist has of course stirred up the usual racism and assorted ignorance

    As a side note, it was a big news to me that there were such sentiments among some Austrarians .

  13. Aceface said

    “This attempt will end in tears, and it won’t be the Aussie’s, that’s for sure. They are messing with the wrong country when it comes to jibes…”

    Too true,John K.Too true.Watch this.

    http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=LbRoCFlNfkQ
    (HT/GI KOREA blog)

    I think few Japanese disagree that Australia is waay more foreigner friendly than Japan.And current Rudd government has a Chinese emigre women as a minister of climate change and water.
    I would say the accusation that generalize all Australian as racists is simply inadequate.But you know,there’s always exception.

    “Did Ben Mills actually ever meet Princess Masako ? I presume not.”

    It’s Ben Hills,not Mills.Sorry guys,my usual bad spellings.
    And No,Mr.Hills never met Masako,
    There was an interesting post on this issue on Debito’s blog about what sort of “research” conducted by this ex-Sydney Morning Herald and awarded Aussie journalist.

    http://www.debito.org/index.php/?p=112

    My colleague who had bought a copy through Amazon.com(the book was on the bestseller there before it got translated.)
    There are just too many factual inaccuracy and I threw away in the middle.Not that I disagree with the title that Princess is in a sort of “prisoner”like status.But She hasn’t been working for quite a while and had spent weeks of vacation in the Netherland.I’m not too sympathetic.

    And all that are covered almost every week in weeklies and tabloids.Never in the history of imperial family so much was said in the negative aspect.Apparentky the Chrythanthemum taboo does not exist in case of Princess Masako of which was supposed to be the sales point of the book.But as usual,the correspondents at FCCJ wouldn’t write a piece from this perspective.

  14. ampontan said

    Aceface: That commercial you link to is part of the Japanese video. I’ve added a link to the post because apparently it can’t be viewed through the link to the article.

    One can only imagine what the reaction in the world’s media would be if the Japanese had done a similar commercial using a fat overbearing Australian ordering the beef course, and an Australian restaurant worker (who didn’t have an Australian accent) came over and did the guy in using slaughterhouse techniques for cattle.

    Anyone who thinks it would be unwise for the Japanese to tangle with the Australians might want to read this first:

    http://www.trademinister.gov.au/releases/2006/wtt028_06.html

    If the Japanese government gets irritated enough with the Australian government to take some serious steps, I don’t think the Japanese will be the first to cry uncle.

  15. Aceface said

    ”Aceface: That commercial you link to is part of the Japanese video. I’ve added a link to the post because apparently it can’t be viewed through the link to the article.”

    Ooops.Sorry did it again.I didn’t finish watching that piece of crap.

    “I don’t think the Japanese will be the first to cry uncle.”

    Actually majority of Japanese are not intereted with whale wars with Australia,but 2channelers including this YouTube poster are
    very willing.I’m wondering when will 2channelers go tell all these beef ball franchaise like Matsuya to stop using Aussie beef and import from Argentina or Brazil.Very obviously these geeky computer nerds in 20’s and 30’s are main cutomars for these
    establishment.

  16. helical said

    Aceface,

    2channelers … elegantly described as「敵にすると鬱陶しい(怖い)が味方にすると頼りない。 Annoying (fearsome) as enemies but unreliable as allies.」

    I’ll have to see if they can pull anything like that off.
    I doubt they as a group could gather enough momentum and coordination to force a business decision on the part of major beef bowl chains. The whole whaling thing seems to me that, as you said, would appear as an insulting but distant issue, and apathy kills about 98% of the would-be movements started by the vocal minority. Also, most tend to act on ill-informed, rash, and/or spur-of-the-moment decisions (i.e. the spamming of Japan Probe for the Haloween Train incident), so my guess is that that would kill any coherency and credibility for the remaining 2% 😉

    But you never know.

  17. Aceface said

    Helical:

    Exactly.Apathy kills all will of mass demonstration,and I think 2chan is sort of a place for degasification and anger management that distract people from direct action.And this is pretty much common feature in East Asia.Nationalism on the net is no more than virtual reality.

    Actually,I don’t mind if Japan abandon scientific whaling.(coastal whaling should be sustained,but that’s another story).
    And frankly,I have always had huge respect in environmental conservation policies of Australia,I’m very much aware of their multi-cultural policy.

    Problem is Aussies has very strong Japanophobia.
    When I was in school back in the early 90’s,I went to Australian Embassy to check some books on Aborigines in the library,and there I found 1980 national bestseller ”新・悪の論理・ゲオポリティク入門Logic of Evil,introduction to geopolitics)”by a guy named Kuramae Morimichi.
    The book is basically about the beginners guide to the world of geopolitical strategy and it became bestseller after Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and Japan’s defense policy to protect “sea lanes”had highlighted geopolitics,which was a taboo in the postwar Japan.

    The book had ignited huge scandal at the time,because it advocates securing certain areas of Asia-pacific region in case of secutirty crisis and it ranges from Bashi Channel to all the way downward to New Guinea,almost exactly the Imperial Naval command had advocated.Major critic simply ignored the book but left had seen it as a sign of revival and public bought the copy from simple curiosity.You can still pick up a copy for 100 yen is second hand book shop in Kanda,but I haven’t seen it for more than a decade.

    Anyway,in that day in the Australian Embassy’s library,I found copies of now forgotten bestsellers,all five of them were wrinkled,presumably read by more than one person.

    I guess Australians are always worry about Japan’s potential ability to turn herself from today’s partner to tomorrow’s yellow peril and that is the psychological basis of these assertive and offensive attitude when problem shows up in bilateral relationship.

  18. bender said

    There’s competing interest group competition here in both Australia and Japan, and really I think if whale-lovers or hunters had to pay for the cost of their livelihoods and hobbies, the taxpayers would put paid to this immaturity.

    I kind of sense it’s only the Japanese taxpayers that are paying, as the anti-whalers are probably doing it with private funding. But maybe the funding for Japanese whaling comes from selling whale meat (it might be self-sufficient?). I might check to see if any tax money is being spent.

  19. I urge the Japanese people to recognize that their great and historic nation, which has contributed so MANY great things to the world in the realms of Religion and of Arts and of technology, to recognize that this insistence on whale hunting damages the reputation of your great nation in the eyes of the people of the whole world. So as a friend, I ask you most sincerely, please stop. The great Scottish Poet Robbie Burns wrote a poem in which the narrator prayed for heaven to —- give to gift of the ability to see ourselves as other people see us. I urge Japanese friends to consider this.
    Finally, let it be a Japanese organization or institution that arranges to stop the whale slaughter on the basis of mercy, and NOT on the basis of political pressure from overseas. This is the way to a solution.
    Sincerely and in Friendship and with Respect,
    C. ALEXANDER BROWN

  20. mac said

    I like the bit that says, “Best thing for the environment is go vegetarian” (true, true … make that vegan) but then follows a big japanese myth, “however, it is impossible to practise because of our instinct (yes, and fish and vegetables too).

    I liked the beer ad a lot. I had to laugh … but if we had gone for “The Full Whale Experience, surely his brain should have been exploded by the harpoon tip and he left to writhe about for 15 minutes to an hour? Artistic license I guess?

    a) Two wrong don’t make a right.
    b) The Australia government does not cover up ‘roo bashing, or foreigner bashing for that matter, as scientific research
    c) There was that really weird bit, also very Japanese, about (approx) “you just pay attention to your problems and ignore ours”.

    Japan is losing heavily in the PR stakes and would lose outright if it ended up in fistie-cuffs. No one will jump in for Japan.

    Alex Brown is right, it would be a masterful U-turn if the Japanese government stops the slaughter on the basis of compassion or mercy … then we can accuse them for not apologizing about killing all the whale for the next 50 years.

  21. Ken said

    My only suggestion is that they use a bit more professional polish to package their rebuttals in the future.

    Well put. This video actually struck me as being anti-whaling by making the pro side look so unsophisticated.

  22. Bruce Smith said

    Re Princess Masako: oddly enough I was once part of her security detail for a couple of days. So I have seen her at close range (1 meter), but I never spoke to her because that was not my job – it would have been inappropriate. After all she is a Princess and should be respected.

    I wonder can I import whale meat to Australia and start a restaurant chain…. “Big Bruce’s Whaleburgers !”

  23. Baltimoron said

    “I urge the Japanese people to recognize that their great and historic nation, which has contributed so MANY great things to the world in the realms of Religion and of Arts and of technology…”

    But, Japan can’t be a normal nation and defend itself? its citizens can’t point out double standards, but should retire into religious consolations?

    I think this is a good example of the neutering the Japan-US alliance has inflicted upon a sovereign state. The Yoshida Doctrine is convenient, but it also lets–and seemingly not just the Japanese–off the hook for policy decisions, because Japan is an exception in the entire world.

    Bully for the Japanese!

  24. Baltimoron said

    ?I kind of sense it’s only the Japanese taxpayers that are paying, as the anti-whalers are probably doing it with private funding. But maybe the funding for Japanese whaling comes from selling whale meat (it might be self-sufficient?). I might check to see if any tax money is being spent.”

    I’m certain Japanese whalers get pork from the LDP, and that Aussie anti-whalers get corporate funding that’s supplemented by government pork somewhere. It’s just a matter of calculating the cost of externalities into the final cost of the product.

  25. mac said

    “Big Bruce’s Whaleburgers !” …

    Yah, and you could wash them down with all that French wine they have left in the USA post-Iraq.

    “Animal Liberation Australia” receives corporate funding … a few free ad campaigns and that is about it;

    http://www.animal-lib.org.au/aboutus/donors–sponsors.htm

    There is a HUGE scale of differences in the money involved.

  26. bender said

    Because meat is relatively easy to digest and rich in calories and nutrients, early Homo lost the need for the big intestines of apes and earlier hominids. This freed up energy for use by other organs. This surplus of energy seems to have been diverted to one organ in particular – the brain. But scavenging meat from under the noses of big cats is a risky business, so good scavengers needed to be smart. At this stage in our evolution, a big brain was associated with greater intellect. Big brains require lots of energy to operate: the human brain uses 20% of the body’s total energy production. But the massive calorific hit provided by meat kick-started an increase in the brain size of early humans.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/prehistoric_life/human/human_evolution/food_for_thought1.shtml

  27. bender said

    BERKELEY– Human ancestors who roamed the dry and open savannas of Africa about 2 million years ago routinely began to include meat in their diets to compensate for a serious decline in the quality of plant foods, according to a physical anthropologist at the University of California, Berkeley. It was this new meat diet, full of densely-packed nutrients, that provided the catalyst for human evolution, particularly the growth of the brain, said Katharine Milton, an authority on primate diet.

    http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/99legacy/6-14-1999a.html

  28. bender said

    Meat-eating has impacted the evolution of the human body, scientists reported today at the American Association for the Advancement of Science’s annual meeting in Washington, D.C.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/02/0218_050218_human_diet.html

  29. […] a anti-Australia blog: https://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/japan-launches-youtube-salvo-against-australia/ […]

  30. Karl said

    My Japanese wife doesn’t care much for the video either and thinks its an embarrassment.
    You do not represent all of Japan as you seem to claim to.

    Also as a japanese living in Australia she says she has had no problems at all with any racism.
    This doesn’t mean that there aren’t any racists in Australia though, clearly every country has its retards (yourself for example)

    This is a very lame attempt to derail the issue at hand.

  31. Karl said

    Also

    “(The Australian woman is standing up while eating, or tachigui, which is considered rude in Japan. Unfortunately, this subtlety will be lost on the Australians.)”

    Thats so relevant, but here here I’ll fix it up a tad

    (The Japanese woman is sitting while eating, or “Sitting”, which is considered rude in Australia. Unfortunately, this subtlety will be lost on the Japanese.)

  32. tomojiro said

    Karl

    I don’t think that 3kun is the original maker of the video, although if you read his blog, it is clear that he is a sick moron.

  33. ponta said

    One possible way to attack Australian policy is to diguise as animal right activists or simply to become animal right activists and attack her policy against killing Kangaroo as well as killing whale and cry out stopping the slaughter of Kangaroo “on the basis of mercy” or just point out inconsistent attitudes toward killing Kangaroo the cutest animal in the world and and the whale .

    In the end, Australians might become the first vegitarian’s country though,

    CANBERRA (Reuters) – Australian animal protection groups questioned on Monday a new government guide for the humane killing of kangaroos which recommends “forcefully swinging” the heads of young animals against a vehicle tow bar.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSSYD8247920080107

  34. bender said

    I do want to hear what Australians have to say about their dingo and kangaroo culling, though.

  35. Aceface said

    Well,I thought Karl is thinking that Ampontan is actually a Japanese and racist.Judgeing from his precious post,Tomo.

    I got a wife from foreign country too,butI have no nerve to speak on behalf of her as “My country is racism-free,my Mongolian wife say so!” and so on.

    I got a say a word,admitting Australia is very multi cultural society that goes waaay beyond the land of rising sun.Is being multi-cultured justify you to being uncivilized? Or is it somekind of relation between multiculturalism gives you some elevated moral status in dealing with other country?

    I mean the Japanese kid who made this had posted on nothing more than a YouTube.It’s YouTube,people,and people post garbage on YouTube.While the Australians are using full power of media complex including public broadcasters,using government vessel to watch over whaling.Lots and lots of diplomatic muscles are used to promote anti-whaling lobby at IWC.I don’t think it is only the Japanese “wasting” precious tax payers money on this issue.

    “This is a very lame attempt to derail the issue at hand.”

    Check other post on this blog before you have any words here,Karl.
    And let us know what does WW2 has anything to do with whaling in Antarctic.

  36. Corey said

    They’re really twisting facts in that video. Australia may have the highest extinction rate, but that fact has very little to do with the modern Australian state. Most research has shown that the majority of extinctions took place before the Europeans arrived.

  37. Aceface said

    ねらーは意外に冷静
    http://blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/archives/1077028.html

  38. Doesn’t anyone else think that it is strange that a government official would comment on a youtube video? By normal standards it is strange, but not by the standards of Australia (which is my country btw). Here we regularly ban normal forms of expression protected as “free speech” in other countries. So politicians or other special interests come out, call something “unacceptable”, and try to shut it down. This is from video games to political speech. Everything.

    Forget about whales. My people don’t even have basic civil rights.

  39. bender said

    Doesn’t anyone else think that it is strange that a government official would comment on a youtube video?

    I do. Wondered if the foreign minister didn’t have more important agendas to deal with…also, I thought the comment about “not endangering relations with Japan” was utterly inappropriate. Of course it won’t.

    BTW, did any public official in Australia comment about the Blue Tongue beer commercial? I guess they think that was OK while a goofy video made by some nobody in a foreign country might undermine diplomatic relations (as suggested by the foreign minister) .

  40. hoju_saram said

    How old are you ampotan, 5? Cheering this crap?

    No doubt the issue of whaling has become emotional, but I haven’t seen or heard anything racist enter the debate in Australia. Comparing a youtube video put together by some nutjob with claims that Oz is a “white-supremecist nation” with newspaper articles that use the word “slaughter” (gasp!) and “kill” (crikey!) just goes to show how skewed your viewpoint is.

    There are racists in Austraia and Japan. The majority of people in both countries are reasonable and tolerant. Unfortunately there are also cretins out there (the youtube vid maker and yourself) who seem to delight in turning this into an issue that has nothing to do with whaling.

  41. ampontan said

    Entertaining post, Australian Man…er, Hoju_Saram.

    The name of the site is up there at the top in big capital letters. Impossible to miss, but you still managed to screw up the spelling.

    And I’m the cretin!

  42. doinkies said

    Doesn’t anyone else think that it is strange that a government official would comment on a youtube video?

    That’s exactly what I thought. Some people are commenting on this video as if someone in the government or in the whaling industry made it when there is no proof. It’s probably just some random doink who put up that video to get attention and make drama. I bet he’s pretty satisfied right now.

  43. Aceface said

    Let’s not talk about spelling here,Shall we.I mean,Please?

    Hoju-saram,”The Australian” had article using the word “Jap” all over in the interview of that beer company owner.Not that we are “cheering”nor agreeing the content of that shitty YouTube clip,mind you.

    Funny with the way people react on this issue.
    A week ago,we were all talking about BBC “Have Your Say” is
    filled with retorts that has nothing to do with whaling and we’ve got no post coming from residents from downunder.
    But now we have this YouTube made by unknown someone whose identity and nationality is unknown,and do we have angry comments coming from everyone(including foreign minister of Australia)!

    I’m now thinking about giving advice to Yasuo Fukuda to outsource all the “scientific”whaling to the Chinese fleet….

  44. Aceface said

    Looks like J-cast is doing even better reporting than “The OZ”.

    http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20071228-00000004-jct-soci

  45. john k said

    Hoju_Saram

    This website has some very useful links and info, but ignore the “editorial” stories. There is more myopia than in a blindmans convention being held in a hall that is sinking badly because the foundations only support one side of the building and they can’t “see” why….!!!
    Just amusing to watch from a afar….but not worth taking seriously.

  46. Aceface said

    “This website has some very useful links and info, but ignore the “editorial” stories.”
    Then stop reading John K.Go have some refreshing time at Japan Today discussion forum.

    This place is blindmen(and women)only,you know.

  47. john k said

    I rest my case.

  48. Aceface said

    good.

    If you want some heated debate8something you THINK doesn’t exist in Japan),come out with an argument,instead of a retort and open insult to the guy who runs this place.

  49. hoju_saram said

    aceface, got a link for that article? The only one I found was in 2006 that quoted Singleton using the word, and it was not a kind article. Don’t confuse quoting someone using an offensive word for the purposes of showing what a twit the guy is, with using it in an editorial/article.

    As I’ve already mentioned, most people in Australia have approached this issue with respect, some albeit a litle bit too emotionally. The protests I saw had people with placards saying, We love Japan, but we hate Whaling, and there was no vitriol levelled at the Japanese people. Of course there are going to be idiots on both sides.

    The video kid is one example; ampontan, as I’ve already mentioned, another. Responding to a video that levels claims of white supremecy, that asians and aboriginals are second class citizens, with the comment: “The truth hurts?” and “About time…?”

    Classy. I have aboriginal and asian blood in my family, on both sides. My wife is asian. This stuff is offensive. It hardly needs airing and condoning.

  50. bender said

    As I’ve already mentioned, most people in Australia have approached this issue with respect, some albeit a litle bit too emotionally. The protests I saw had people with placards saying, We love Japan, but we hate Whaling, and there was no vitriol levelled at the Japanese people. Of course there are going to be idiots on both sides.

    How about the Blue Tongue Beer video? I see tons of racist Australian comments in the web over this issue, for all I know.

  51. ampontan said

    Responding to a video that levels claims of white supremecy, that asians and aboriginals are second class citizens, with the comment: “The truth hurts?” and “About time…?

    The truth: Australians complain about whale butchery as they blithely indulge in animal butchery their own. Some of them are the same people. Or are all those stories of kangaroo whacking made up, and the films staged?

    About time: The Japanese have a tendency to turn the other cheek, even when attacked by obvious hypocrites. It’s about time that they spoke up for themselves.

    Given that brainless beer commercial, race riots three years ago, a “White Australia” policy in my lifetime, and the manure that gets regularly printed about Japan in Australian newspapers (do you even read them?), it’s no surprise that some Japanese get upset.

    You just ignore that stuff when you’re responsible for creating it, and then get all holier-than-thou when you’re on the receiving end.

    And you expect people to take you seriously?

  52. ampontan said

    Here’s another story with content that’s untasteworthy in the extreme:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/australia.rudd.ap/index.html

    Newly elected Australian leader Kevin Rudd renewed a commitment Monday to apologize to indigenous Aborigines for past indignities.
    Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said the apology would be framed in a consultative fashion with communities.
    The issue of apologizing for policies that helped make the continent’s original inhabitants its most impoverished minority is a highly divisive one in Australia.
    The policies included the forcible removal of indigenous children from their families on the premise that Aborigines were a doomed race and saving the children was a humane alternative. The practice did not end until the 1970s.

    This article appeared in late November 2007.

    Putting aside whether one thinks apologies are in order (former PM Howard said the current generation shouldn’t have to apologize for the past), what we have is a national government forcibly splitting up families based solely on racial criteria.

    Putting aside what many Australians would or wouldn’t do some 30 years later, is it any wonder that some Japanese are suspicious of Australian motives?

  53. john k said

    Ampontan

    So just so I understand you rightly….
    “…Putting aside whether one thinks apologies are in order (former PM Howard said the current generation shouldn’t have to apologize for the past), what we have is a national government forcibly splitting up families based solely on racial criteria….”

    So, this is of course not the same as during the Meiji period when the Ainu were considered “former aborigines” and lost their lands and their rights etc? The Ainu who have the legitimate claim of being “the first Japanese”.

    The Japanese Govt. continue to not recognise the ethnic groups within the national context.

    “..Putting aside what many Australians would or wouldn’t do some 30 years later, is it any wonder that some Japanese are suspicious of Australian motives?..”

    This is just a case of the kettle calling the pot black.

    So, another biased position against another country whilst falling to recognise Japanese’ own “forcible splitting up” as you put it.

    What you have presented may well be very factual. But as always, you are only presenting one side, your side, of the whole picture…which it seems your acolytes eat with relish and never question. A balanced picture makes for a more enjoyable meal….

  54. ampontan said

    What you have presented may well be very factual. But as always, you are only presenting one side, your side, of the whole picture…

    …in the fine, centuries-old tradition of authors, historians, critics, and commentators producing books, magazines, pamphlets, and now websites, and organizing debating societies both independently and on college campuses throughout the world.

    We all know about the Ainu, and we all know it’s not the point at issue.

    Nor will you find any suggestion around here that I am absolving the Japanese for any behavior, nor that Australians are uniquely racist, however desperately some may wish to think so.

    The person who created that video suggests that Australian attitudes toward Japan might be informed by past Australian racism, which still crops up from time to time. Though his charge is impossible to verify, it cannot be dismissed out of hand as baseless.

    The person who created that video suggests that Australian behavior toward (among others)kangaroos–a national symbol–places much of their criticism of Japanese whaling in the realm of the hypocritical. That’s obvious on the face of it.

    Perhaps having to deal with facts at variance with preconceived notions is uncomfortable for some, but then, reality is not optional.

  55. john k said

    Ampontan

    I hear what you are saying…
    Yet…” The person who created that video suggests that…..” is a phrase you used not once but twice.

    And then…” …Though his charge is impossible to verify, it cannot be dismissed out of hand as baseless”.

    So, if it is impossible to verify, why post it? If it is impossible to verify how can it be considered independent? If it is impossible to verify…how can you then say it is “obvious on the face of it”..? If it is obvious, then you must surely be able to verify it and not be impossible, as you claim.

    “…Nor will you find any suggestion around here that I am absolving the Japanese for any behavior,..”
    No you are not.
    But you are also not presenting any Japanese behaviour which is the same as you are posting and vilifying, when you post such stories, especially ones that you find impossible to verify. Or is “we all know about that”, your defence?

    If you disagree or find such “things” offensive, that’s fine. But to not present the antithesis of your argument for balance is doing yourself an injustice and also condescend readers who think that “such things” do not exist in Japan; simply by not posting the other side of the coin. Your actions “attempt” to absolve Japan by not presenting the same or similar actions by Japan.
    However, if that is your intention to just show what the world is saying against Japan and ignore, or should I say – not report – what Japan says or does, is in my opinion a bit “Stockholm syndromesque”, and biased in the lest.

    As you appear to revel in not being independent, in the centuries-old-tradition. Tends to shoot the credibility of the “message” then…

  56. Dee said

    So the hysteria generated by Aussie greens triggered a negative response by an irate Japanese citizen. Pretty amusing, if you ask me.

    “White pork”, that’s funny.

  57. hoju_saram said

    Racism has nothing to do with the whaling issue. Bringing up the white australia policy and the stolen generation (topics I’m pretty sure you have absoluetly no clue about) to defend a crude video on youtube is about as lame as it gets.

  58. hoju_saram said

    Whats realy funny here is that you don’t even consider yourself a blogger – “what I attempt is more polemics” I think you said. Your opinion isn’t “conditioned” if I remember correctly. And yet you peddle this garbage. Keep up the good work ampontan, its good for a laugh!

  59. Aceface said

    Acolyte speaks:

    “There may be comments which Japan does not like, such as references to cruel treatment of POWs, but these are documented facts, so there is reference to a nation rather than “somebody”. So this cannot be construed as “defamatory.”

    “And where is there a comment that is actually saying to “take up arms and act”. i.e. to encourage somebody to be violent?
    I may find many comments abhorrent and distasteful, but they are not defamatory nor commit incitement.”

    This was your comment when we were arguing how loosely moderated the BBC websites(“Enola Gay,Worked last time” thing)which is supposed to be the finest broadcaster on the planet.

    Your attidtude was it’s-an-opinion-nothing-but.

    But when some guy from nowhere comment equivalent to the Australian in nothing but a YouTube,what was your reaction?

    ANSWER:
    “I lived in Australia for 3 years….they can take anything anyone wishes to dish out to them and then some…the Japanese better be prepared for a very harsh return.”

    Oh….Well….then I’ll try to behave,but you know something?

    It’s YouTube,John.That shitty video dissing Aussies was posted on YouTube.

    You know what that is?

    People post their home videos like cardboard-built Optimus Prime fights your pet pekingese in the basement,That YouTube? No?

    “This highlights the difference between Japan and the western world. In the western world one is allowed to express ones own views, even if it differs greatly from others, or even if the personal view upsets others. Not so in Japan.”

    Again your words,not mine.

    While I have huge question on the basis of your argument,still I don’t understand why you keep launching ad hominem attacks on a western guy suffering Stockholm syndrome simply doing what anybody in the western world is doing.

    “Emotions and the other person’s feelings are given greater importance than that of being able and free to expressions ones own feelings and views. Japanese think of the other person above of themselves. Western people do not think like this.”

    Again,John K.Your word,Not mine.

    If that shitty YouTube video was made by the hand of some geeky-nerdy-discontent 16 years old in Yokohama,he(or she)sure knew who the target audiences were.

    Something you seem to have difficult to understand.

    This is a “blog”.Owned by an individual,posting his personal comments.If you agree,fine.
    If you disagree,fine.If you think watching from afar,that’s OK by us.

    But I gotta say that while you preach high principles to others,yet you don’t seem to be intrested in practicing them by yourself.

    In my book,it’s called”double standard”.

    “So, this is of course not the same as during the Meiji period when the Ainu were considered “former aborigines” and lost their lands and their rights etc? The Ainu who have the legitimate claim of being “the first Japanese”.”

    Can’t say Ainu were the “first Japanese”.There is a huge debate on this within Japanese archaeology.

    “The Japanese Govt. continue to not recognise the ethnic groups within the national context.”

    That’s just untrue.
    http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%82%A4%E3%83%8C%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96%E6%8C%AF%E8%88%88%E6%B3%95

  60. ponta said

    john k

    if it is impossible to verify, why post it? If it is impossible to verify how can it be considered independent? If it is impossible to verify…how can you then say it is “obvious on the face of it”..?

    It perfectly makes sense to say “Though his charge is impossible to verify, it cannot be dismissed out of hand as baseless”just as it makes sense for John K to say “The average Australian has a major dislike of the Japanese.””The resentment still exists today
    when I lived in Oz, I found, at that time, most Australians extremely racist towards to Japanese.”

    ut to not present the antithesis of your argument for balance is doing yourself an injustice

    I love posts with pros and cons, I especially hope that some of the articles and blogs on Japan also present the antithesis and broader perspectives.
    But as far as this post is concerned, I don’t see what it is like.
    Surely the Japan’s policy toward Ainu was wrong, but I wonder how you relate Ainu to the video’s allegation that anti-whaling is backed up by Australian racism to show the readership an balanced view, how you relate it to the post’s point that “the Japanese are finally starting to respond to the mudslinging to which they are subjected from some quarters overseas”
    What antithesis do you have in mind?

    hoju_saram
    I suggest you to read other posts and comment sections on this issue on this blog.

  61. john k said

    Hmmm…seriously considered not bothering to reply, as this just simply degenerate’s into a childish he said you said, pointless discussion.

    Suffice to say thus:
    “…But I gotta say that while you preach high principles to others,yet you don’t seem to be intrested in practicing them by yourself….”

    Where have I said I am interested in high principals, don’t believe I have? I’m just questioning someone’s statement and logic, no more. Do they believe what they are saying because someone told them this, or they read it, or they have first hand experience of it…or just repeating what they have been told to repeat?

    If the raison d’etre for this website is “ This is my site, my stories my opinions, I don’t care what others think or say, I will only present biased information how I see it, and Japan never does anything bad or wrong so don’t even go there…”, then that would be fine. I can enjoy this as fine entertainment. But it doesn’t. It says the contrary. Hence I am just simply questioning why certain stories are posted which contain so much bias but are given as “independent” and beyond reproach…or is “we all know that” just the one line defence and that’s it?

    So, I am questioning the stories presented, and comments then made, to ascertain the reasoning behind the comment and see whether it is just a “personal opinion” or indeed a factual one. I can make many “person comments” if I choose to do so. If asked I do so. But that is not the reason why I make comments on this. I’m questioning the validity of the story line.

    However, you suggest that this cannot be done, as it is double standards. So I can cook a meal and make comments on it as “I” cooked it. But if I didn’t cook the meal, I cannot comment about it. Very strange world you must live in….

    I had a very interesting debate with Ponta, despite the length of the debate. He understood the reasoned logic and that it was a debate about the philosophy and factual gathering behind such statements. Nothing to do with my own “high principals” as you put it. That came afterwards when asked.

    If we both see a white man walk up to an Asian in the street, hit him and punch him senseless and walk away, the story on this site would be something like “ Racist man almost kills poor defenceless Asian guy”.
    Then there would be the usual yeah yeah yeah..terrible…racist bastard, did you see how hard the punch was..wow… etc etc ad nauseam.
    Whereas any reasoned discussion should generate around…who was the Asian guy, who was the white guy…why was the Asian guy there, why was the white guy there, what prompted the altercation, what happened before the meeting, does the white guy know the Asian guy, was their any motivation for the attack, etc etc etc….then a position of understanding may be found.

    But this is lost on many. Doesn’t bother me if they understand this or not, nor does it bother me if someone thinks yawn for even suggesting that there may be another point of view.

    Anyone idiot can type a word or phrase into Google and get some hits and then use this for their argument…as sound fact. But where is the “understanding” and logic behind such written links…and where does it say on the link that it is 100% factual correct no errors and fully validated by the whole world?
    The first thing one is taught when reviewing written work, such as the stories on this website, is thus:

    Where, what and why’s…the motivation, it is corroborated by independent sources, are there any inaccuracies of so where and why, and does it affect the conclusions etc etc. None of this seems to be considered. The webmaster is king. That doesn’t bother me one bit.

    Exploring what someone has stated to understand what they are saying does not require an opinion from the outset, just an enquiring mind. However if the initial premise is with an opinion, this inevitably performs a bias and hence an unsatisfactory course will be taken. The questions to ask may often be anathema to one’s own personal opinions (i.e. devils advocate or as you call it “double standards”), but not to ask the question is as tragic as not accepting that questions can be asked by anyone regardless of their opinions, especially when someone is making a statement for all to “read” and imply as being beyond questioning.

    Is the message the real deal or just no different from the plethora of words already out there…simple as that. If it survives I take my hat off and make note…if it doesn’t QED.

    I’m only asking questions…either the question is answered or it is not. We can all be politicians and throw in pointless specifics (or details) to detract from answering the question at hand. I can do that just as much as anyone else. In general, I choose not to.

    Ponta
    Please read #51 ~ 55 carefully, then you’ll see my point. Nothing to do with anti-whaling nor Australian racism. Just the logic behind the statements doesn’t hold water.

    But of course everyone wishes to debate the “details”, as this is easy (via google hits) and highly subjective, as noted above in my analogy.

    Now, I really must go and cook….if only so I can comment on it later!

  62. Aceface said

    Tell you what,What you are saying in this long post is rather beyond my poor English reading comprehension.

    “Where have I said I am interested in high principals, don’t believe I have?”

    No,You have not.”Principles”are my wording.

    So what you are saying is,you don’t give a rat’s ass when Japanese are condemned not just for whaling but crimes during WW2 and some quasi-national character essentialism are mobilized to take advantage in the debate,but you do care very much and feel offended when vice versa happens and blame Japanese,OK.I got it.

    “If the raison d’etre for this website is “ This is my site, my stories my opinions, I don’t care what others think or say, I will only present biased information how I see it, and Japan never does anything bad or wrong so don’t even go there…”

    Who said that?Certainly not me.And what the hell does Japan-never-does-anything-bad logic come into this issue.We are talking about why the hell does a YouTube video is making so much anger in the side of Australians while they take blind eye to a racist TV commercial that’s been aired on national broadcasters.Stop throwing strawman.

    “Hence I am just simply questioning why certain stories are posted which contain so much bias but are given as “independent” and beyond reproach…or is “we all know that” just the one line defence and that’s it?”

    Ever heard of minority opinion? Well this blog is it regarding Japan issues.If you don’t like it,there’s thousand of What’s-wrong-with-Japan-A-to-Z types in the blogsphere.

    You called us as “myopia than in a blindmans convention being held in a hall”.
    But I have to ask.How is your Japanese literacy.Can you read a Japanese dailies?Books?Blogs?working papers?
    Some of the content on this blog are unknown to western expats and those who gather Japan info via internet,simply because of language barriers.

    “I can cook a meal and make comments on it as “I” cooked it. But if I didn’t cook the meal, I cannot comment about it. Very strange world you must live in….”

    I can’t make a comment on this for the same reason as I’ve said in above.Could you care to write that in Japanese,Please?

    “Anyone idiot can type a word or phrase into Google and get some hits and then use this for their argument…as sound fact. But where is the “understanding” and logic behind such written links…and where does it say on the link that it is 100% factual correct no errors and fully validated by the whole world?
    The first thing one is taught when reviewing written work, such as the stories on this website, is thus:”

    Don’t you think THAT’S exactly what Ampontan has been trying to prove in his own way,where mainstream English media coverage repeatedly failed? Or that’s what it looks like to acolyte like me.
    Oh,But yeah,you don’t understand because you’re an indifdel.,,,,,

    “I had a very interesting debate with Ponta, despite the length of the debate. He understood the reasoned logic and that it was a debate about the philosophy and factual gathering behind such statements. ”

    Like “I give you the strawman and you give me the red herring”kind of exchange.I’ve noticed that.

    “But this is lost on many. Doesn’t bother me if they understand this or not, nor does it bother me if someone thinks yawn for even suggesting that there may be another point of view.”

    Somehow,I think you do.And very much.very much.

  63. bender said

    Racism has nothing to do with the whaling issue.

    Then why do I see racist comments made by Aussies all over the place? Let me give you an example of what may be perceived as racism. It’s a debate over Native American whaling rights in the U.S.:

    http://www.certain-natl.org/racism_in_the_ar_movement.html

    I see similar tones made by Aussies against the Japanese. Aussies pride themselves as being tolerant and multicultural, sure I know that. Then try to snuff out the racist components in anti-whaling speech, rather than trying to take the blatant, unapologetic stance of denying that they even exist. The fact that the Aussies are making such a big fuss about a looney youtube video makes me wonder, maybe it does ring a bell for Australians? I don’t see Americans react this way to the myriad of lame accusations made from all over the world.

    And you’re intentionally neglecting the Blue Tongue Beer commercial? Kind of selective, don’t you think….

  64. ponta said

    JohnK
    Thanks.

    #51 #52 makes sense perfectly. And these comments should be understand under the context: we are discussing the video.
    In #53 you brought up the topic of ainu. I agree the Japan’s policy toward Ainu was wrong just as it was wrong for Australia to mistreat aborigines. If the point of taking up Ainu is to show that since Japan has a history of racism, you cannot accuse Australia, it makes sense but it is a bad argument. If the point is to show Japan is attacking Australia anti-whaling based on racism just like the Japan’s racism toward Ainu, it again make sense but it is a bad argument.
    Now I am asking how you would sensibly relate Japan’s racism to the video and/or the Japanese guy’s bringing the video on the youtube, in order not to “condescend readers”

    In#54 Anpontan says

    The person who created that video suggests that Australian attitudes toward Japan might be informed by past Australian racism, which still crops up from time to time. Though his charge is impossible to verify, it cannot be dismissed out of hand as baseless.

    I thought you found the latter part most convincing because of your opinion about Australian racism toward Japanese. Can you verify that they are racist toward Japanese so that (almost) everyone can be convinced? I think not. On the other hand, as your first hand experience shows, “it cannot be dismissed out of hand as baseless.”

    As for #55, it is your summary statements but I think I’ve stated my questions on it in the comment above.

    Enjoyed you dinner?

  65. bender said

    So the hysteria generated by Aussie greens triggered a negative response by an irate Japanese citizen. Pretty amusing, if you ask me.

    Yes, it’s even funnier that the Australians up and down are upset about it. It’s some anonymous video posting on “youtube” using funny English, for god’s sake.

  66. ponta said

    Aceface Says:

    Like “I give you the strawman and you give me the red herring”kind of exchange.I’ve noticed that.

    Please stop ad hominem attack, Aceface.

  67. Aceface said

    Roger that,Ponta.Couldn’t resist.

    Voice of the reason from blooger David@Tokyo.Must read.
    http://david-in-tokyo.blogspot.com/2006/12/japanese-citizens-take-care-in.html

  68. john k said

    Ponta

    Yes, meal was very nice thank you. My wife can’t cook to save her life….so I do all the cooking. Had a nice bottle of wine to wash it down with too….hic!

    “If the point of taking up Ainu is to show that since Japan has a history of racism, you cannot accuse Australia, it makes sense but it is a bad argument. If the point is to show Japan is attacking Australia anti-whaling based on racism just like the Japan’s racism toward Ainu, it again make sense but it is a bad argument…”

    Correct. To use an argument to justify ones position and then dismiss or not allow the same by the “other side” is extreme bias and ignorance. I object to that “aspect” more than anything else I have seen written on this and other blogs. But I don’t loose sleep over it, if someone cannot see that. I just go back to watching paint dry or watching my grass growing, a much more rewarding use of time than flogging a dead horse.

    As I’ve said many times before, their actions are not “racism”. Unless of course you wish to ignore what words mean and make up your own definition based on what you think collectively others do too. The reactions on both sides, just as on the whaling issue etc, are ostensibly “offensive” and not “racist”.

    Personally speaking I find whatever is posted on sites like this and youtube amusing, even if some I may find “offensive” or contrary to my own point of view. I could also never take the comments towards me as being serious, no more than I would a comment from a bar of soap. It doesn’t affect me one bit, why should it? I grew up years ago, I’m not back in a school play ground.
    If there is bias in the “message”, than the message has lost credibility, assuming that it is seeking credibility, and it becomes no more amusing than like reading a comic, since it cannot be taken seriously. But the philosophy/reasoning behind comments and the assumptions etc that is interesting, as it makes me think and should make the author think too.
    I think a majority of “info” on sites like youtube etc are a mix of creativity, intelligence, misguided, misunderstood and very sad geeks, voicing their angst etc, since their voice is not heard or drowned out in the “real world”. However, better on a website than thinking “the world doesn’t understand me..” and picking up a gun and going down to the local school or mall and randomly shoot people who pass by that say “hello..” or even just smile…neh?

  69. Aceface said

    “I grew up years ago, I’m not back in a school play ground.”

    Yeah,like in three days.

    john k Says:
    Monday, January 7, 2008 at
    “The Japanese do not want to get “into the mud and sling it”. As soon as they do, whatever their arguement, they will have lost. If they wish to rebuttle, they should do so away from the mud!

    I lived in Australia for 3 years….they can take anything anyone wishes to dish out to them and then some…the Japanese better be prepared for a very harsh return.

    This attempt will end in tears, and it won’t be the Aussie’s, that’s for sure. They are messing with the wrong country when it comes to jibes…”

    Oh yeah,I find this all amusing watching from afar….

  70. Aceface said

    Perhaps this is end of all the discussion on this thread?
    I know I have nothing more to say….

  71. Dee said

    Perhaps this is end of all the discussion on this thread?
    I know I have nothing more to say….

    Well it is nice to note that nobody has blamed the US for anything, yet… 🙂

  72. Bruce Smith said

    It’s all Dubya’s fault !

    P.S. Dee, Thanks for the reminder.

  73. bender said

    He did have popular support when the Iraq war started, didn’t he? Now it’s all his fault. I’m kind of perplexed.

  74. Bern said

    It is racist to be against Japanese whaling. Australia is trying to impose their values onto Japan. Coming from Norway an another whaling country. I think Australia is a very close minded country and Japan equally incompitent in the negotiation process.

    Norway hunts commercial they set their own catch limits. Japan gets grilled due to a white imperialistic mind set. Japan should have lodged the objection back in the 90s then they could by now have at least hunted commercial and not get grilled for the scam science non sense.

    Australia makes me laugh. The kangaroo killing whale huggers. The leading country in double morals and hypocracy.

  75. Bern said

    It would be good if Scandinavian and Australia was closer as we could get into this mud slinging abuse.In Copenhagen Denmark when Denmark tore Australia into pieces in football the Danish fans were singing. My grand father was a rapist my grand mother a whore. Taking the piss on the Aussies. I thought it was hillarious. Australians who were waving their inflamatable kangaroos sat down.

  76. […] people in Australia but it has now also mobilized people in Japan which whaling has now become an issue of nationalism.  Additionally the Japanese government has now included whale meat in school lunches in show of […]

  77. Bruce Smith said

    Bern – What about us Australian’s of Danish descent ? Are we convicts too ? Besides I didn’t know Denmark played rugby league (the real man’s football) !

  78. Bern said

    >Bern – What about us Australian’s of Danish descent ? Are we convicts too ?

    Haha. Good question. Maybe:)

    Rugby is called rugby. Football is football. Feet and ball:)

    As for the whalng debate I don’t think the two countries can come to an agreement by the looks of things. It’ll be interesting to see how things evolve.

  79. bender said

    You mean soccer 🙂 Football is where you have the offense and defense and 4 chances to make a 1st down plus cheerleaders.

  80. ampontan said

    Football is where you have the offense and defense and 4 chances to make a 1st down plus cheerleaders.

    Football? I thought that was baseball. Offense and defense and four chances to get to first base plus cheerleaders in the Koshien Alps.

    Or have I been in Japan too long?

  81. Aki said

    You can read a response of the Japan Whaling Association to Australia in the following page.

    http://www.whaling.jp/english/release/080107.html

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