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Between the acts

Posted by ampontan on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

And that was that? No anti-Japan protests reported thus far in Beijing or other Chinese cities.
- Mark MacKinnon for the Globe and Mail of Canada.

We can’t oppose the forced destruction of a house that we bought with our life savings, but we have to defend with our lives an island that we’ll never go to? Unbelievable!
- On Weibo, the Chinese Twitter

OF course that was that. The latest act in the mad Chinese opera is over, but there’s more to come.

Of course this has all been theater, albeit destructive theater that could become very dangerous. Try this from an article about a Chinese general telling the troops to get ready for combat:

A classified Chinese government map from 1969 that was obtained by Japan’s government shows Beijing had labeled the islands as “Senkaku,” their Japanese name, and thus confirmed their control by Tokyo. The map, which was viewed by the Free Beacon, also had a dividing line south of the islands showing that they fall within Japanese territory.

There are more unclassified maps where that one came from, both in China and in Taiwan. That the Senkaku islets issue is a Made-in-China manufactured crisis should be apparent to even the casual observer. But too often the casual observer accepts the facile and superficial explanation that the demonstrations/riots/looting in China have been an expression of “anti-Japanese” hatred. That hatred exists, and it arose naturally, but it has been easily mass produced for distribution well past its sell-by date.

What remains has been the result of conditioning — or brainwashing, if you like — on a large scale, for a larger purpose on a larger stage. The players have been conditioned to remember and respond in anger to events they would have to be at least 80 years old or older to really remember, which were committed by guilty parties who died long ago. The anger is a useful tool for those doing the conditioning. They understand it will be accepted because the subjects always crave emotional excitement. That excitement is packaged with a grand cause, making it all the more emotionally satisfying.

You really don’t think the Chinese public is well-informed, do you? Japanese Tweeter Hiro, who is bilingual in Chinese, discovered they know nothing about the Japanese constitution:

“I sent a message on Weibo that surprised everyone. They asked: Japan can’t start a war? That’s right. The government-controlled media is inciting everyone to believe there is a revival of Japanese militarism.”

Yesterday’s demonstrations were large, but well-behaved compared to those of the weekend. This screen shot from Japan’s ANN television shows why.

And this:

Now think of that x 125 cities. It must have been expensive and time-consuming to coordinate and implement, but it’s something only security and military forces attached to the national government are capable of doing.

Protestors broke 10 windows at the Shenyang consulate, which any red-blooded boy would have enjoyed, especially because it was officially approved. Police prevented the demonstrators from throwing bricks and rocks at the Beijing embassy, so they threw softer objects, such as PET bottles, tomatoes, and potatoes instead.

The protests began bright and early at the embassy in Beijing at 7:00 a.m. with about 100 people and grew to more than 5,000 by 10. The armed police made sure no one stepped out of line. There were three separate demonstrations in Shanghai, with 10,000 people in the aggregate. Two thousand people gathered in Guangdong and shouted “Patriotism is no crime!”

That’s almost Pavlovian.

The protestors sought the last refuge of the scoundrel to reject the branding they are beginning to receive by the Chinese public as criminals. Many people in China were fed up with the destruction, especially when it became apparent that patriotism had little to do with it.

In addition to the attacks on South Korean establishments that we’ve already seen, mobs destroyed a vehicle used by the Italian consulate in Guangzhou, Hong Kong-owned Watson’s drug stores, and McDonald’s outlets. (But not those of KFC. The latter company has a better reputation in China because they were the first to develop menus for the local palate, according to the story. There were reports in previous demonstrations of McDonald’s stores being trashed, while KFC outlets next door were untouched.)

Of course they got around to The Great Satan. Who doesn’t?

The banner at left calls for the killing of all Japanese below Prime Minister Noda. Fifty protestors also surrounded the offical car of US ambassador Gary Locke on Tuesday, causing minor damage.

The bottom line of this upside down sign says, “Opposed to Japan, Opposed to the US, Opposed to High Prices.”

You could watch this video from the weekend and wonder whether it would be more suitable for study by behavioral psychologists or myrmecologists.

Many reports suggested there was a collegiate carnival atmosphere. Anyone who’s ever been to a demonstration knows they’re largely social events and a great way to meet girls. And guys just want to have fun:

The first line at the top of his chest says he likes Japanese porn stars. Perhaps he’s auditioning. But another line says that he likes the Diaoyutai better. He’s also got “Grandfather Mao, the Japanese Army has come again!”, and on his right leg, “War or peace?”, with the “or” written in English.

But public dissatisfaction with the larger course of events began to make itself felt. From Weibo:

“They take iron bars to those who attack the government, but fly swatters to those who attack Japanese corporations.”

And:

“From the authorities’ point of view, attacking Japanese companies is patriotic, but opposing the government is criminal.”

There were also concerns that recent events might cause more trouble for China’s international image than it would for Japan. Average citizens got on the Net and started calling for people to stay away from the protests. The state-run media stopped covering them, once they’d served their purpose. People are more interested now in discovering who organized them.

They know the demonstrations were organized in advance, and they’ve developed a composite portrait of the people those were most actively involved: Males in their 20s with close cropped hair, speaking regional dialects, who are disciplined, ruthless, brainless, and arrived in groups simultaneously on buses. That suggests either the military or the armed police.

They saw the banners with slogans that were shorthand references calling for the return of the now disgraced Bo Xilai, an ally of former President Jiang Zemin, and a man some called the next Mao. They also saw all the Mao posters.

The fingers point as well to the other conservatives, including Zhou Yongkang, the head of all the security services and a Politburo Standing Committee member; Jiang ally Li Changchung, who oversees propaganda, media, and cultural affairs; and Mao Xinyu, the grandson of the Great Helmsman himself. He’s a historian who majored in his grandfather at school, but made a mid-life career switch:

“Apparently, he wanted more, and was promoted in June 2009 the youngest General of the People’s Liberation Army (Chinese Army). Notwithstanding having no military experience, and not exactly having the physical condition of a war hero; he is unable to express himself and write correctly and is an object of mockery for many Chinese.”

Here’s General Mao:

What is it with these East Asian Reds who think the tubby grandsons of revolutionary leaders make plausible generals?

In short, this has been a patriot game played at the home stadium using the Japanese as the ball. The organizers’ idea seems to have been to create a greater wave of patriotism throughout the nation, which would give the conservatives (the Jiang faction) a chance to recover their status.

Some in China think they might have overplayed their hand by bringing back memories of the Cultural Revolution and presenting the country in a bad light overseas. This, they think (hope) will encourage reformers.

Meanwhile, US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has stopped by the neighborhood, and he visited China yesterday after paying a call on Japan. He met his Chinese counterpart Liang Guanglie, who declared:

“The responsibility for inciting the disturbances is entirely with Japan.”

He also said the US-Japan Security Treaty was not applicable in this situation.

Over at the Foreign Ministry, spokesman Hong Lei warned that “China has the right to take steps” if anyone from Japan lands on the Senkakus because it was an infringement of their territory. He was speaking after two more Japanese cruised there over the weekend to go ashore. They were picked up by the Coast Guard because it’s now government property.

We might see what steps the Chinese have in mind before long. Former Prime Minister Abe Shinzo is running for LDP president again, which means he could come back for a second term if he wins and the Democratic Party government suffers their expected trouncing in the next election. He wants to station personnel on the islets.

He was told an unidentified VIP Diet member from the DPJ claimed that would mean war with China. He responded:

“Considering the bilateral economic relationship, I do not think putting people there will cause the Chinese military to act.”

He added that a greater Japanese presence was necessary because:

“China has positioned the Senkakus as their core national interest. In other words, that means they’ll come to get them.”

Osaka Mayor Hashimoto Toru, the head of the Japan Restoration Party and the cynosure of domestic politics, thinks that should have been done already:

“We should have stationed police offers there after the Hong Kong activists landed. It was extremely inept not to have done so.”

It won’t be long before the curtain rises on the next act in this Chinese opera. This is now the intermission.

Afterwords:

If any image captures on multiple levels the Chinese vibe at one stroke, it’s this screen shot of the Baidu search engine page yesterday. Baidu has a roughly 80% share of the Chinese-language search engine market.

All you have to do is look.

It’s back to the normal Google ripoff today.

UPDATE: There’a report in today’s Sankei Shimbun that they have confirmed from several “Chinese sources” that soon-to-be President Xi Jinling was behind the new hardline attitude toward Japan. Current President Hu Jintao was willing to accept the Japanese government purchase on the condition that the islets would not be developed, but that changed with South Korean President Lee Myung-bak’s visit to Takeshima. UPDATE: Reuters is now reporting that Mr. Xi has called Japan’s purchase of the islands “a farce”.

The attitude of Chinese leadership, they say, changed to “Why should we be the only ones taking a soft approach to Japan?” Mr. Hu thought a boycott of Japanese goods would not be productive, but Mr. Xi does.

Japan’s Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications says it was the object of six cyber attacks from the 15th to the 19th with offshore computers uploading massive amounts of data to disrupt their operation. 95% of the offshore computers were in China.

China Digital Times makes an excellent point that I too should do well to heed:

Weibo user: “Get onto Weibo you think China is not far from democracy. Go onto the streets you realize the Cultural Revolution is not over.”

Neither is class warfare.

Still think they just have it in for Japan?

Microsoft has published evidence of an extraordinary conspiracy in which potent botnet malware was apparently installed and hidden on PCs during their manufacture in China.

In ‘Operation B70’ started in August 2011, Microsoft documents how its Digital Crimes Unit (DCU) bought 20 brand new laptops and desktop PCs from various cities in China, finding that four were infected with pre-installed backdoor malware, including one with a known rootkit called ‘Nitol’.

Tracing Nitol’s activity back to an extensive network of global command and control (C&C) servers, the team discovered that the malware that has infected PCs to build a larger bot, most probably used to launch DDoS attacks.

Once in situ, Nitol would spread beyond the PCs on which it had been pre-installed by copying itself to USB and other removable drives.

Disturbingly, other malware hosted on the main domain used as C&C by Nitol was capable of performing just about every nasty in the malware criminal’s armoury, including keylogging, controlling webcams, and changing search settings.

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20 Responses to “Between the acts”

  1. Marellus said

    That Mao Xinyu looks like a dangerous fellow.

  2. Marellus said

    Reblogged this on The Commenter.

  3. American Kim said

    Ampontan, thanks for the very informative posts regarding the anti-Japanese protests in China. I’ve read each and every one of your blurbs since all these public demonstrations started. I’ve also read all your posts regarding the Senkakus (including that post about a Chinese person who wrote online – was it Weibo? – about that old map which the People’s Daily used during the early days of the People’s Republic.

    The US media has been unsurprisingly weak and limited in its coverage of the events. Mentions of the maps have never surfaced. Full disclosure: I haven’t really relied on WaPO, NYT, CNN, or other such channels, so I can’t say categorically they’ve been unreliable. But, they have been unreliable before, and these media do not give in-depth insight that can only be found nowadays if written by actual specialists (or, in your case, people who live in the country involved, who speak/read/write the language, and who thereby have access to materials that western reporters generally wouldn’t have and which the casual western reader would never care to even think of).

    This morning, Kramer of CNBC was speaking of the issue and he was mentioning “Manchukuo,” “Kunming,” and other allusions to the Sino-Japanese war of the late 1930s. I’ll give him credit for at least knowing these basics (because I would bet less than 1 in 50 college grads nowadays have ever heard of “Manchukuo.”). But even on CNBC (which isn’t known for world-class journalism), Kramer’s colleagues had little of substance to say.

    I will continue to read your blog. As I do not speak the Japanese language, I view your blog as one of the better sources of information regarding all things Japanese that English speakers can use.
    ——-
    AK: Thanks for the note. I like notes like this!

    For more detail on the Senkakus, when the problem first erupted two years ago, and with more details on the ownership question, try this. I probably should have created a tag for it. I’m in the middle of translating something else about it too.

    Feel free to make as many comments as you like.

    Yoroshiku!

    -A.

  4. trapped in brazil said

    AK: Most of the westerners are imbued with a deep hatred for Japan, of course, there are a lot of exceptions, like Ampontan (and you). This hatred have various levels, from the “kill all japs” to the mild ones where people like to joke about japanese physical traits and think that its just a joke, and not racism. See the Clintons for an example. Hillary gives me the impression that if it were Japan X Satan, she would take the fork and put the horns on.

    So, in the “professional” international midia (specially what some calls now China News Network) is difficult to find accurate info about Japan.

    ————–
    There is a way to deal with this China problem. Japan should move it’s industries to other places that will not try to steal your technology, use you as a scapegoat or make you look as the bad guy in the international community, even if it raises the cost of production.

    For the Senkakus, Japan should stop refer to China as a country, and change it to “CCP”. Instead of saying that “China dispatched boats”, it should be “the CCP dispatched boats”. And everytime a chinese boat approaches the Senkakus, instead of saying the obvious “dude, it is not cool”, they should be saying that while they are risking their lives for the CCP (not China), they children are drinking poisoned milk, they family could be evicted any moment, they are getting poorer while the CCP members are getting richer, while their children have no education, the CCP kids are in Canada, and other “grievances”.

  5. trapped in brazil said

    Forgot to say: as for the cyber attacks, Japan should tell China that in response, it can put an geostationary satellite to allow free communication and access to the internet to the chinese people.

  6. 21st Century Schizoid Man said

    TIB: Interesting. My idea is somewhat different in that I value what we achieved so far (since the end of preivous war, basically, but some came from older years). Somewhere down the line we stopped yelling out mostly (or, may be we did not even start to yell out from the start, except for some mobsters within us). If we start to rally around our flag and say something similar to Chinese people now, be it controlled by government or not, we would be different. Then we would be different from what we have been for this half century. I doubt if it (becoming Japan that can say No as we like) serves us really. Ampontan may have a whole different view. Or, he might support my view by doing what he is doing now. What he does is not a small thing even though number of readers currently are not so huge. At least he showed me that I do not have to look around without broken heart (something in that line).

    I remember when the current U.S. ambassador said when he took office (but I do not remember his name). He said that he came to cheer Japanese up and said that most of the people in the world wanted to be Japanese but that most Japanese did not know it.

    I started to think what we achieve is not so small.

    And eventually, it shows.

    If we are to say any No, we do it our way, I hope. If we do not lose our sight, probably we can do it.

  7. 21st Century Schizoid Man said

    Gee whiz, I wanted to say that at least Ampontan showed me that I do not have to look around with my broken heart (something in that line). After some beers and spirits, my hands writes the opposite for what is a core term.

  8. 21st Century Schizoid Man said

    What I want to add here are (because I again felt like I spitted out what I wanted to spit somehow during these 30 days or so here), our feat is to learn and to improve substantially as a mass of people, and for some unknown reasons we love to do it (or we USED TO LOVE IT AND ARE LOSING IT, BUT WHO KNOWS?). In fact, every other people on this earth should and do love it but they are not necessarily aware of it.

    Last year, we were praised as persistent and persevere and perwhatyoulike. The reality is that the ratio of such persevere people is a bit higher than other people, probably. And we are yet to know more perseverence existing somewhere on this planet. We should have sensibility to know it.

    The other aspect is our lucky history, of course. We have never been invaded nor occupied by others until the end of the previous war. We are islanders.

    There is no magic, to my belief. There is no such thing as they say, such people are just lazy or hesitant to see.

    May be we are on the course of learning and improving our own principles, including possible amendments to the current constitution.

    Thanks for reading this whoever you are.

  9. 21st Century Schizoid Man said

    http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20120919-00000004-fsi-bus_all

    Ah, we cannot help that. I only hope they come to terms in quite near future. But I must admit that I started to wonder if Japanese brands are really high quality these days, and they would not necessarily regret their preference they are going to have.

    10 years ago I would just laugh this away. Now, I do not, because of deteriorating image of made-in-japan.

    I do not know about camera, but most people are opting for smart phones in lieu of dedicated cameras, aren’t they?

    I almost give up for automobiles, though I am buying Toyota or Honda here in Brasil even though they are expensive. But so many Korean cars, though they do not catch my eyes so good except for KIA’s logo which looks like Honda’s.

    My only hobby, music, Japanese electronic instruments are substantially dominant still, but we see handful boutique brands from Europe (Germany and Sweden) and U.S. Anyway, it accouts for only a fraction of the whole picture.

  10. trapped in brazil said

    Hi Schizoid, I’m not saying that Japan should became like the frenzied chinese or korean. But people must realize that Japan and China are already in a war of sorts. If China likes to send brainwashed people against Japan, the best option is counter-propaganda, not in our population, but in theirs, specifically, on those that thread inside Japanese waters. By using the CCP name, you can dissociate China, as a nation, from the problem. For example, next time they demand apologies, we should say that we will apologize to a legitimate, democratic government that truly represents the chinese people, instead of a bunch of gangster who enslave their own people.

    It is true that Japan is a virtuous country and the true democracy (even more than america) but it must learn that not every country follows, or even know, the same basic beliefs. For example, in my comment the other day (sorry that I didn’t reply there) about the 50 cents, in the minds of the locals, the concept of shame didn’t exist. Where we are (Brazil), shame has a set value and still depends on the occasion and who you are getting advantage over.

    While Japan has been acting true to its core (avoiding discussions and discarding more energetic responses), this attitude turned Japan into a geek, while the rest of the World is composed of big bad bullies. Those hack attempts, for example, its China who should be afraid of Japan in a cyber-war, because Japan really has the capacity and the funds to put a geo-stationary satellite to enable full communication and internet access to the chinese people. Japan could use any kind of excuse to do this trick without declaring war. Of course, China could say that this is a war declaration, but so what? It will be too busy with the internal unrest.

    What I’m trying to say is that while Japan is trying to show the way adult nations must behave, it’s viewers (the rest of the World) are getting the wrong message, that you can do what you want with Japan because it won’t even say “no”.

  11. trapped in brazil said

    If you think about it, why China doesn’t claim back Siberia? It was taken by the Russians (who else), there are oil and diamonds there, and most people there are chinese. The difference here is that the Bear have nuclear fangs and is more that willing to lovely and cutely hug anyone.

  12. All of this just convinces me that the CCP really is a criminal organization. They indulge in jingoism to hide their own corruption and crimes. Pathetic really.

    @Trapped
    Careful there about Siberia. the Chicoms were claiming Okinawa a couple of months back
    http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/gordon-g-chang/china-now-claims-japan%E2%80%99s-okinawa

    —–
    H: Thanks for the link. This has been going on for a while, and I’ve brought it up several times here, also recently. There’s even a screen shot of a rather professional looking Chinese website devoted to it. Rather than criminal, I would say reverting to traditional hegemonism of centuries past, as the recent piece by Prof. Shimojo also points out. GC quotes someone as saying that using a past tributary relationship as the basis for a territorial claim opens up a new can of worms. It certainly does, considering the Koreans were in that same boat.

    -A.

  13. Tony said

    Trapped in Brazil, I’ve read your comments and found many of them interesting and sometimes though provoking. However I take issue with your statements that:
    “Most of the westerners are imbued with a deep hatred for Japan,…” because that is just not true at all. I don’t know of any western country that “hates” Japan. Further, Ampontan and others are not the exceptions, they are the norm, the ones who do have hatred for Japan are the Western exceptions.

    As well, blanket statements such as;
    “It is true that Japan is a virtuous country and the true democracy (even more than america) but it must learn that not every country follows, or even know, the same basic beliefs” and “While Japan has been acting true to its core……, this attitude turned Japan into a geek, while the rest of the World is composed of big bad bullies.” are not only wrong but seems to be a rather parochial view of both Japan and the world.

  14. Yes, I did read somewhere that in China’s world view its relations with other nations are not governed with principles of the nation-state but rather the tributary system. Doesn’t bode well for South East Asia, where most if not all states there had a tributary status with China. Only a matter of time before the Party refocuses its efforts on their South China Sea claims.

    I would still say yes it is criminal as they are promoting fire-brand nationalism to throw people’s attention from their corruption and divisions in the party. The Koreans on the other hand should cool it as since they are in actual possession of the Dokdo/Takeshima islets, there really isn’t much Japan can do about it. Its sad to see that such emotions are being vented over a bunch of rocks. Btw could you send me the links here of China’s claims on Okinawa if thats not too much trouble?
    —–
    H: Actually, it would take me some time to dig up that website screenshot. Another was an article from the China Daily, I think it is, posted recently. You might try using “daily” as a website search term at the bottom of the left sidebar. Also “Liu”, because that’s the first part of the Chinese name. I’m busy with something else now, and after that there’s another post I want to put up tonight, so if you want me to do it it will have to be tomorrow.

    -A.

  15. @Tony

    Depends though. I’ve seen plenty of Westerners rant about Japan. Most are indifferent i imagine.

  16. @ A

    Thats alright. I’ve managed to find it =)

  17. Tony said

    Hitokiri1989, yes I’m sure there has been and continues to be ranting but as you said, most are indifferent. Is ranting the same as “imbued with a deep hatred for Japan”? For some people it is while for others it is just ranting. The mistake is equating every negative statement made by non-Japanese with hatred. Such thinking is not only misleading but simplifies and glosses over the complexity of human interaction. A simple example is the author of this blog. No doubt Koreans and Chinese see Bill as ranting against them but I think we all know he isn’t imbued with nor does he hold hatred for either group.

  18. trapped in brazil said

    Tony, Japan is a finer example of democracy than America, where else can you open a school preaching the destruction of the Country while getting federal money…

    For the hate part, it is difficult to anyone out of the lash’s end to feel it. I ask you, how many people actually go after more information about Japan before taking a stance about it? If you despise something or hold it in contempt, you just take a side without looking twice. Like I said, “hate” can take many forms and various degrees. and when I say a deep hatred, is because it is natural to hold Japan in contempt. There are various theories for this. Call me silly, but personally, I go for two motives:

    a) Physical and cultural differences;

    b) The “yellow monkeys” dared to prove to the World that “yes they can”, finally showing to Her Majesty, the Queen, what is a sunset (and a rising Sun ho ho ho ho :D).

  19. Tony said

    Trapped in Brazil,
    You would have to provide evidence that Japan is a better democracy than America in order to even possibly being correct. However, my view is that the two countries just have different democracies. Personally, I feel both Japan’s and America’s forms of democracy are inferior to my country’s but to each their own.

    As for western countries hating Japan, your contention would look stronger if you provided proof that most western countries “are imbued with a deep hatred for Japan”. How do you explain the west’s love with anime and most things Japanese? As well, a deep hatred would seem to be the antithesis to the western countries quick and extensive offer to help Japan after last year’s tsunami.

    Is there condescension at times, yes, just as there is between England and France, France and Germany, Spain and Portugal, Russia and ….. everybody else. However, that is not hate and interpreting it as such is a gross misreading of those countries attitudes and intentions as well as a terrible accusation to make in regards to the people from those countries.

  20. trapped in brazil said

    Tony, you can find the proof of Japan being a better example of democracy right here at Ampontan. Where else other than in Japan, you can find a country that will fund Korean schools whose teachers are probably involved in criminal (if not terrorist) activities against Japan, just because it’s labeled as a “school”. Or foreign students paying less tuition than nationals. Imagine scholars writing books that would be used to extort money and even grab Ellis Island from the USA, their academic career would be over. They are even putting individual rights above national security. For a normal person, it is stupidity, but the americans showed the japanese this thing called democracy, and they believed in it, following every rule of it, even the idiotic ones.

    The west loving anime has nothing to do with it. Everyone loves to drink Coca-Cola, you can even find fans of it in the middle-east but they would still burn a Joe and drag his body around. But if you want proof, one just has to analyze how the international midia is biased against Japan. It wouldn’t happen if the majority of the population wouldn’t want it to be like that (because them there would be no readers).

    Remember the Sea Shepherd? Why didn’t they go to China? Why did they left the european countries alone? And the US? Japan had to hunt whales disguising it as “research”, but european coutries can do it openly. Why wont those eco-terrorists “stand between a controversial Atlantic Bluefin Tuna-killing machine and its prey”? Why the west were so against the whaling industry in Japan, but is overfishing the Atlantic Bluefin Tuna to extinction?

    About the “quick and extensive” help, it is not an antithesis. Relieve operations are the norm after a big disaster. Countries have to make the offer or they would look bad. Operation Tomodachi, for example, was good and people are very grateful, but the Americans didn’t do it out of kindness alone. They wanted to show presence in the region, and to assure Japan and the rest of Asia that the USA can be a reliable ally. It is not wrong, but it’s not entirely right either.

    As for the people who contributed over the World, like I said over and over again there are exceptions. And by exceptions, I don’t mean only Ampontan and other that came to this blog. The site http://www.census.gov says that there are about 314.437.809 americans. If you take the worst scenario possible and consider that only 1% of the americans are not biased against Japan, there will be about 3.144.378,09 americans who are at least indifferent about Japan. A good one would put it around 30%, which would be 94.331.342,7 americans, which is impressive, but still a minority.

    Now if you think it doesn’t exist, then it doesn’t (for you), but for me, it is very real. I will stop here before Ampontan kicks me out because of this overextended discussion and for being a “right wing paranoid with global conspiracies” (and you didn’t call me silly) :D

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