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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

I found an interesting film which tells totally dependent Korean real intention about unification as follows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmE8KOduYLI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>I found an interesting film which tells totally dependent Korean real intention about unification as follows.</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/saber-rattling-in-seoul/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/lmE8KOduYLI/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Left Flank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Flank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Struggle to Become the Ugliest Asians...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Struggle to Become the Ugliest Asians&#8230;</strong></p>
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		<title>By: mac</title>
		<link>http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/saber-rattling-in-seoul/#comment-16125</link>
		<dc:creator>mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have &#039;reductio ad absurdum&#039; underlined by Leo Strauss&#039;s &#039;reductio ad Hitlerum&#039; (the unwritten rule of internet discussion being that who ever plays the Nazi card first ... loses). 

Surely, &#039;reductio ad femina levamentum&#039; follows fast behind in weak defenses?

Personally, I do not find myself in the &quot;denier&quot; camp. War is dirty, life is brutal, Confucianism patriarchal and I am sure that a bit of everything happened ... just as I am that it is being hugely exaggerated for political reasons. 
 
But putting aside the Korean commoners (sang-in) buying rank and diluting the &quot;moral purity&quot; of the nobi owning Yang-ban (and no doubt access to bought concubines) what of the conditions of the Choson nobin, Cadastralrob?

The Korean slaves of Koreans accounted for at least 30% of the population and it is very well documented (there have never been any proper surveys of comfort women). Even the fetus of female bi were legally accounted for as a store of wealth handed down via the patriarchal line. Was sexual slavery or being whipped by one&#039;s countryman preferable to conquest by an aggressor or were both not equally iniquitous?

Incidentally, the Japanese invasion of 1592 was good for Korean slaves (they absconded in hordes and the slave market crashed) just as the Japanese occupation was for the sang-in (they were able to access education for the first time and rise in society) which leads us on to ask why half of Korea claims to be descendant from Yangban and no one from the nobi? Was this 3,500 year heritage, as you are suggesting, something to be proud about or does it tell us something about the national mentalities? It is said to be a mere 3,000 years ago when Saint Kija instituted slave law in Korea, some time before the British and Japanese. 
Nobi were commonly named after animals or excrement. Their names ended in kae, a &quot;tool&quot;. 30% were parentless (3 times higher than black slaves of the same time), children of slaves became slaves even if their father was not.

As to the personal suffering of the comfort women being retrospectively usurped for political purposes in Korea by the same governmental masculine culture which in Park&#039;s time was officially whoring its daughters off and leaving its war widows to be yanggalbo ... give me a break and go ask them to apologize to the Vietnamese girls they raped long after the Japanese had stopped doing so. Were any of these girls sold off to pimps descendant from nobi or sang-in? Probably all. Were the panjatjip any different from the comfort stations?

As I say, I am not a denier but the one thing I don&#039;t understand is why between 1950 and 1971 did upward of one million South Korean women work as &quot;sex providers&quot; for the US Army? How, if it was such an abhorrence to Korean society and such an onerous task for the individual, could it have not just continued but increased 5 times straight after Japanese surrender?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have &#8216;reductio ad absurdum&#8217; underlined by Leo Strauss&#8217;s &#8216;reductio ad Hitlerum&#8217; (the unwritten rule of internet discussion being that who ever plays the Nazi card first &#8230; loses). </p>
<p>Surely, &#8216;reductio ad femina levamentum&#8217; follows fast behind in weak defenses?</p>
<p>Personally, I do not find myself in the &#8220;denier&#8221; camp. War is dirty, life is brutal, Confucianism patriarchal and I am sure that a bit of everything happened &#8230; just as I am that it is being hugely exaggerated for political reasons. </p>
<p>But putting aside the Korean commoners (sang-in) buying rank and diluting the &#8220;moral purity&#8221; of the nobi owning Yang-ban (and no doubt access to bought concubines) what of the conditions of the Choson nobin, Cadastralrob?</p>
<p>The Korean slaves of Koreans accounted for at least 30% of the population and it is very well documented (there have never been any proper surveys of comfort women). Even the fetus of female bi were legally accounted for as a store of wealth handed down via the patriarchal line. Was sexual slavery or being whipped by one&#8217;s countryman preferable to conquest by an aggressor or were both not equally iniquitous?</p>
<p>Incidentally, the Japanese invasion of 1592 was good for Korean slaves (they absconded in hordes and the slave market crashed) just as the Japanese occupation was for the sang-in (they were able to access education for the first time and rise in society) which leads us on to ask why half of Korea claims to be descendant from Yangban and no one from the nobi? Was this 3,500 year heritage, as you are suggesting, something to be proud about or does it tell us something about the national mentalities? It is said to be a mere 3,000 years ago when Saint Kija instituted slave law in Korea, some time before the British and Japanese.<br />
Nobi were commonly named after animals or excrement. Their names ended in kae, a &#8220;tool&#8221;. 30% were parentless (3 times higher than black slaves of the same time), children of slaves became slaves even if their father was not.</p>
<p>As to the personal suffering of the comfort women being retrospectively usurped for political purposes in Korea by the same governmental masculine culture which in Park&#8217;s time was officially whoring its daughters off and leaving its war widows to be yanggalbo &#8230; give me a break and go ask them to apologize to the Vietnamese girls they raped long after the Japanese had stopped doing so. Were any of these girls sold off to pimps descendant from nobi or sang-in? Probably all. Were the panjatjip any different from the comfort stations?</p>
<p>As I say, I am not a denier but the one thing I don&#8217;t understand is why between 1950 and 1971 did upward of one million South Korean women work as &#8220;sex providers&#8221; for the US Army? How, if it was such an abhorrence to Korean society and such an onerous task for the individual, could it have not just continued but increased 5 times straight after Japanese surrender?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>““which comfort women?” followed by a discussion of just two”

Your evidence is zero.  Show your evidence.
Or will you escape again with knee jerk reaction?
Although those who were required to show first must show first in global standard manner, I will show you first the evidence which contradicts to your possessed impression.
Following site is uploaded by Korean government as the evidence of coerced comfort women.
If you can read Japanese or Chinese, you cannot miss what it means though there is translation.
http://www.geocities.com/eastasianissues/ComfortWomen/AdForComfortWomenWWII.htm

Talking of it, I will let you know true condition of Korea before Japan’s annexation.
There is a photogaraph of barren mountain which also contradicts to your opinion that Japan desolated forest.
There are also illustrations of your illusions of the same era in your books beneath.
http://www.geocities.com/eastasianissues/KoreaAnti-Japan/PhotosChusen.htm
Don’t you wonder why there is no corresponding photographs in your textbook though camera was already invented?
Don’t you have intellectual curiosity?  Do you know how to study history?
It is Only IN Korea that those who cannot demonstrate with evidence can fit for scholar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>““which comfort women?” followed by a discussion of just two”</p>
<p>Your evidence is zero.  Show your evidence.<br />
Or will you escape again with knee jerk reaction?<br />
Although those who were required to show first must show first in global standard manner, I will show you first the evidence which contradicts to your possessed impression.<br />
Following site is uploaded by Korean government as the evidence of coerced comfort women.<br />
If you can read Japanese or Chinese, you cannot miss what it means though there is translation.<br />
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/eastasianissues/ComfortWomen/AdForComfortWomenWWII.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/eastasianissues/ComfortWomen/AdForComfortWomenWWII.htm</a></p>
<p>Talking of it, I will let you know true condition of Korea before Japan’s annexation.<br />
There is a photogaraph of barren mountain which also contradicts to your opinion that Japan desolated forest.<br />
There are also illustrations of your illusions of the same era in your books beneath.<br />
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/eastasianissues/KoreaAnti-Japan/PhotosChusen.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/eastasianissues/KoreaAnti-Japan/PhotosChusen.htm</a><br />
Don’t you wonder why there is no corresponding photographs in your textbook though camera was already invented?<br />
Don’t you have intellectual curiosity?  Do you know how to study history?<br />
It is Only IN Korea that those who cannot demonstrate with evidence can fit for scholar.</p>
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		<title>By: Topcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Topcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cadastralrob-san

Comfort women did exist.
They were prostitutes who were duly paid.
There were no such women as had been abducted and forced into slavery.

That comfort women were abducted sex slaves, that Dokdo belongs to Korea, that the water between Korea and Japan is East Sea (not Sea of Japan), that the water between Korea and China is West Sea (not Yellow Sea), are all Korean propaganda.

The problem is not nonexistent slaves of Japanese militarism, but numerous Korean pimps and prostitutes illegally staying and working in Japan, Amercia, Australia, etc., today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cadastralrob-san</p>
<p>Comfort women did exist.<br />
They were prostitutes who were duly paid.<br />
There were no such women as had been abducted and forced into slavery.</p>
<p>That comfort women were abducted sex slaves, that Dokdo belongs to Korea, that the water between Korea and Japan is East Sea (not Sea of Japan), that the water between Korea and China is West Sea (not Yellow Sea), are all Korean propaganda.</p>
<p>The problem is not nonexistent slaves of Japanese militarism, but numerous Korean pimps and prostitutes illegally staying and working in Japan, Amercia, Australia, etc., today.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/saber-rattling-in-seoul/#comment-16103</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys,Don&#039;t mess with a Koreanophile.Lesson I&#039;ve just learned today....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys,Don&#8217;t mess with a Koreanophile.Lesson I&#8217;ve just learned today&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cadastralrob</title>
		<link>http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/saber-rattling-in-seoul/#comment-16079</link>
		<dc:creator>Cadastralrob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you continue to patronize, here&#039;s a tip for you - your comment in response #12 &quot;which comfort women?&quot; followed by a discussion of just two, reveals a remarkably insensitive and uninformed point of view. Begging the question of just who it is that on the evidence of their responses demands to be taken seriously...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you continue to patronize, here&#8217;s a tip for you &#8211; your comment in response #12 &#8220;which comfort women?&#8221; followed by a discussion of just two, reveals a remarkably insensitive and uninformed point of view. Begging the question of just who it is that on the evidence of their responses demands to be taken seriously&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ampontan</title>
		<link>http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/saber-rattling-in-seoul/#comment-16078</link>
		<dc:creator>ampontan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I haven&#039;t done that.

BTW, here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/2006/12/suh-ji-moon-lecture-korean-yangban-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a little something&lt;/a&gt; you in particular might enjoy (g).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I haven&#8217;t done that.</p>
<p>BTW, here&#8217;s <a href="http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/2006/12/suh-ji-moon-lecture-korean-yangban-and.html" rel="nofollow">a little something</a> you in particular might enjoy (g).</p>
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		<title>By: mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would &quot;genealogies&quot; be genuine ones or sang-in buying yang-ban ones?

I would be surprise if the &quot;yang-ban game&quot; has not been covered on this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would &#8220;genealogies&#8221; be genuine ones or sang-in buying yang-ban ones?</p>
<p>I would be surprise if the &#8220;yang-ban game&#8221; has not been covered on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: ampontan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ampontan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It is not unusual for Koreans to be able to recount their genealogies back to the 70th generation - for the past in a very real sense lives on in the present.&lt;/em&gt;

I understand that, having spent some time studying Korean. I once asked as an experiment a Korean college student where her &lt;em&gt;guanhyang&lt;/em&gt; (貫郷)was (If that Romanization is right).

She said, oh, young people don&#039;t care about that anymore, and then proceeded to give me a precise, detailed description of a district in Busan.

But their cultural-specific view of history is their lookout. It&#039;s certainly not anyone&#039;s else&#039;s problem.

Here&#039;s a tip: If you want to use expressions like &quot;virulent nationalism&quot;, or &quot;revisionist&quot;, you&#039;re going to have to &lt;em&gt;back them up with concrete examples&lt;/em&gt; to get taken seriously.

This isn&#039;t Daily Kos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It is not unusual for Koreans to be able to recount their genealogies back to the 70th generation &#8211; for the past in a very real sense lives on in the present.</em></p>
<p>I understand that, having spent some time studying Korean. I once asked as an experiment a Korean college student where her <em>guanhyang</em> (貫郷)was (If that Romanization is right).</p>
<p>She said, oh, young people don&#8217;t care about that anymore, and then proceeded to give me a precise, detailed description of a district in Busan.</p>
<p>But their cultural-specific view of history is their lookout. It&#8217;s certainly not anyone&#8217;s else&#8217;s problem.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a tip: If you want to use expressions like &#8220;virulent nationalism&#8221;, or &#8220;revisionist&#8221;, you&#8217;re going to have to <em>back them up with concrete examples</em> to get taken seriously.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t Daily Kos.</p>
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