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	<title>Comments on: Japanese and South Korean editorials on Takeshima: A comparison</title>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny,

You can understand the language of your mother land, can&#039;t you?
Here are the copies of the book titled, &#039;Common sense of Korea&#039; published on 1947 and 1948, which are after WW2, in following site.
http://www.enjoykorea.jp/tbbs/read.php?board_id=ttalk&amp;nid=1111904&amp;start_range=1111869&amp;end_range=1111904
There is clearly stated, &quot;Korean territory is from 124°11′east longitude to 130°56′23″east longitude&quot;.
What?
You do not have common sense?
Oh!Dear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny,</p>
<p>You can understand the language of your mother land, can&#8217;t you?<br />
Here are the copies of the book titled, &#8216;Common sense of Korea&#8217; published on 1947 and 1948, which are after WW2, in following site.<br />
<a href="http://www.enjoykorea.jp/tbbs/read.php?board_id=ttalk&amp;nid=1111904&amp;start_range=1111869&amp;end_range=1111904" rel="nofollow">http://www.enjoykorea.jp/tbbs/read.php?board_id=ttalk&amp;nid=1111904&amp;start_range=1111869&amp;end_range=1111904</a><br />
There is clearly stated, &#8220;Korean territory is from 124°11′east longitude to 130°56′23″east longitude&#8221;.<br />
What?<br />
You do not have common sense?<br />
Oh!Dear!</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
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		<dc:creator>bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice stories, but no concrete evidence to back them up.  Korea has never been able to prove &quot;Ulsan&quot; or &quot;Sok-do&quot; is the Liancourts.  Lots of fillers are needed to substantiate such claims, but the fillers themselves are groundless.  Belief isn&#039;t goof enough, nor is emotional attachment, and don&#039;t tell me the Japanese burned all the evidence.

If the evidence is flimsy and emotional attachment is all that is there, why should Japan, an independent &amp; sovereign nation, bow to Korean claims?  Do you understand that you&#039;re placing Korean emotions as first priority?  How are you going to coexist if you have little or no tolerance against non-Korean nations?

I know you&#039;ll never understand, but all that myth-creating just for the sake of nationalism/patriotism.  Sigh.  Only emotions and absolutely no room for other ideas.  Anything to the contrary is revisionism by &quot;evil Japan&quot;.   So the hatred continues.  

Is it going to ever end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice stories, but no concrete evidence to back them up.  Korea has never been able to prove &#8220;Ulsan&#8221; or &#8220;Sok-do&#8221; is the Liancourts.  Lots of fillers are needed to substantiate such claims, but the fillers themselves are groundless.  Belief isn&#8217;t goof enough, nor is emotional attachment, and don&#8217;t tell me the Japanese burned all the evidence.</p>
<p>If the evidence is flimsy and emotional attachment is all that is there, why should Japan, an independent &amp; sovereign nation, bow to Korean claims?  Do you understand that you&#8217;re placing Korean emotions as first priority?  How are you going to coexist if you have little or no tolerance against non-Korean nations?</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;ll never understand, but all that myth-creating just for the sake of nationalism/patriotism.  Sigh.  Only emotions and absolutely no room for other ideas.  Anything to the contrary is revisionism by &#8220;evil Japan&#8221;.   So the hatred continues.  </p>
<p>Is it going to ever end?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korea&#039;s Tokdo Island is 92kilometers southeast of the island of Ullungdo, marking the eastern boundary of the country. Tokdo is located a 37°14′18″north latitude and 131°52′12″east longitude. Its administrative district and adress is San 1∼37 Tokdo-ri, Ullung-up, Ullung-gun Country, Kyongsangbuk-do Province, Korea. 
Tokdo comprise 34 rock islets, including the two most prominent, Tongdo and Sudo.

Tongdo on the east is 99.4 meters above sea level, is 64,698 square meters in size. And Sudo on the west is 174 meters above sea level is 91,740 square meters in size. Therefore, Including a reef, Tokdo&#039;s total is 186,173 squre meters.

Tokdo comes from the word Sukdo, &quot;rock island.&quot; In the dialect of Ullungdo, Sukdo, the main of Tokdo, is pronounced &quot;tokdo.&quot; Tokdo was formed 4.5∼2.5 million years ago. It is mostly volcanic tuff and other volcanic rock.

Although Tokdo has long been known as a barren piece of rock, plants and flowers have flourished in its volcanic soil for thousands of years, giving it a variant beauty from season to season.

Plantains, dandelions, purslanes, goosefeet, berries and panies. These all grow in the alleys, gardens, and doorsteps across Korea. Noticeable or not, they have been with Koreans since the beginning of time. The mention of their names warms the Korean heart.

Tokdo and Ullungdo were both called Usan in ancient times becaues they both belonged to the Usan Kingdom. Koreans came to know them in A.D. 512 when King Chijung of the Shilla Kingdom sent an expedition led by General Yi Sabu to Usan aboard a ship which had a carving of a lion on its bow.

Since then, the Korean people have sailed the blue waters of the East Sea(or Sea of Chosun) to visit the islands.  Tokdo has also been called Sambongdo, &quot;Island of Three Peaks,&quot; and Kajido, &quot;Island of Sea Lions.&quot; Its rugged rocks of various shapes have inspired many legends.

Petrels and seagulls lay their eggs here, consoling the solitude of the island. On a clear day, Tokdo can be seen from Songinbong, &quot;Saint&#039;s Peak,&quot; on Ullungdo as it is only 92kilometers southeast of the island. The nearest point in Japan are the islands of Oki Gunto, 161 kilometers to the southeast, from where Tokdo cannot be seen regardless of weather.

 In modern history, Tokdo became a part of the Korean administrative district in 1900 according to Royal Decree No.41 issued by King Kojong. The decree upgraded Ullungdo, which had been part of Samch&#039;ok Country, to a country, and placed Sukdo, &quot;Rock island,&quot; under its jurisdiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korea&#8217;s Tokdo Island is 92kilometers southeast of the island of Ullungdo, marking the eastern boundary of the country. Tokdo is located a 37°14′18″north latitude and 131°52′12″east longitude. Its administrative district and adress is San 1∼37 Tokdo-ri, Ullung-up, Ullung-gun Country, Kyongsangbuk-do Province, Korea.<br />
Tokdo comprise 34 rock islets, including the two most prominent, Tongdo and Sudo.</p>
<p>Tongdo on the east is 99.4 meters above sea level, is 64,698 square meters in size. And Sudo on the west is 174 meters above sea level is 91,740 square meters in size. Therefore, Including a reef, Tokdo&#8217;s total is 186,173 squre meters.</p>
<p>Tokdo comes from the word Sukdo, &#8220;rock island.&#8221; In the dialect of Ullungdo, Sukdo, the main of Tokdo, is pronounced &#8220;tokdo.&#8221; Tokdo was formed 4.5∼2.5 million years ago. It is mostly volcanic tuff and other volcanic rock.</p>
<p>Although Tokdo has long been known as a barren piece of rock, plants and flowers have flourished in its volcanic soil for thousands of years, giving it a variant beauty from season to season.</p>
<p>Plantains, dandelions, purslanes, goosefeet, berries and panies. These all grow in the alleys, gardens, and doorsteps across Korea. Noticeable or not, they have been with Koreans since the beginning of time. The mention of their names warms the Korean heart.</p>
<p>Tokdo and Ullungdo were both called Usan in ancient times becaues they both belonged to the Usan Kingdom. Koreans came to know them in A.D. 512 when King Chijung of the Shilla Kingdom sent an expedition led by General Yi Sabu to Usan aboard a ship which had a carving of a lion on its bow.</p>
<p>Since then, the Korean people have sailed the blue waters of the East Sea(or Sea of Chosun) to visit the islands.  Tokdo has also been called Sambongdo, &#8220;Island of Three Peaks,&#8221; and Kajido, &#8220;Island of Sea Lions.&#8221; Its rugged rocks of various shapes have inspired many legends.</p>
<p>Petrels and seagulls lay their eggs here, consoling the solitude of the island. On a clear day, Tokdo can be seen from Songinbong, &#8220;Saint&#8217;s Peak,&#8221; on Ullungdo as it is only 92kilometers southeast of the island. The nearest point in Japan are the islands of Oki Gunto, 161 kilometers to the southeast, from where Tokdo cannot be seen regardless of weather.</p>
<p> In modern history, Tokdo became a part of the Korean administrative district in 1900 according to Royal Decree No.41 issued by King Kojong. The decree upgraded Ullungdo, which had been part of Samch&#8217;ok Country, to a country, and placed Sukdo, &#8220;Rock island,&#8221; under its jurisdiction.</p>
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		<title>By: kappnets</title>
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		<dc:creator>kappnets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do Koreans speak so emotionally or unreasonably as discussed?  I am curious.  I tempolarily assume that Korea is trying to find their national identity, and they become upset if their scenario is disturbed from outside.

Think of the history of the USA beginning in 18th century in comparison.  Americans do not have to probe/ elaborate/ decorate the history of native indians before 18th century to find their identity as Americans.  In the case of Koreans, their modern history is as short as the USA, beginning with the annexation by Japan at 1905.  It is reminded, however, unlike the US, they have a long history as an impoverished nation before 1905 that they cannot wipe off.

This causes problems for the proud Koreans.  They want their history glorious.  Luckily for the Koreans, they do not have reliable ancient documents as found in Japan (dating back at least 1300 years) and China (dating back several thousand years), and are trying to freely create their history based on fragmentary evidences and ignoring solid data if any.

Their textbook skillfully ignores the fact that Korea had been a lowest recorded level of client state of China.  The fact that Japan annexed Korea at 1905 is utilized to emphasize that Japan destroyed and exploited a prosperous country.  Takeshima is now a symbol of Japanese aggression.  (This is contrary to the more real understanding that Japan came to rescue Koreans from the impoverished life under the Rhee dynasty.)  Although their independence was given by the USA, they must argue that they acquired independence by themselves to establish their identity.

They further discuss that Korea used to be the &quot;teacher&quot; for Japanese (with China the upmost teacher), and Japan returned evil for good.  (From the geography, it would be true that the Chinese culture came to Japan partly via Korea, but this theory neglects the evidential facts that Japan has had a direct communication with China for more than 1300 years.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do Koreans speak so emotionally or unreasonably as discussed?  I am curious.  I tempolarily assume that Korea is trying to find their national identity, and they become upset if their scenario is disturbed from outside.</p>
<p>Think of the history of the USA beginning in 18th century in comparison.  Americans do not have to probe/ elaborate/ decorate the history of native indians before 18th century to find their identity as Americans.  In the case of Koreans, their modern history is as short as the USA, beginning with the annexation by Japan at 1905.  It is reminded, however, unlike the US, they have a long history as an impoverished nation before 1905 that they cannot wipe off.</p>
<p>This causes problems for the proud Koreans.  They want their history glorious.  Luckily for the Koreans, they do not have reliable ancient documents as found in Japan (dating back at least 1300 years) and China (dating back several thousand years), and are trying to freely create their history based on fragmentary evidences and ignoring solid data if any.</p>
<p>Their textbook skillfully ignores the fact that Korea had been a lowest recorded level of client state of China.  The fact that Japan annexed Korea at 1905 is utilized to emphasize that Japan destroyed and exploited a prosperous country.  Takeshima is now a symbol of Japanese aggression.  (This is contrary to the more real understanding that Japan came to rescue Koreans from the impoverished life under the Rhee dynasty.)  Although their independence was given by the USA, they must argue that they acquired independence by themselves to establish their identity.</p>
<p>They further discuss that Korea used to be the &#8220;teacher&#8221; for Japanese (with China the upmost teacher), and Japan returned evil for good.  (From the geography, it would be true that the Chinese culture came to Japan partly via Korea, but this theory neglects the evidential facts that Japan has had a direct communication with China for more than 1300 years.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Highly unlikely…basically I think Korean society, law, and government will allow even a murderer to get away without doing any punishment as long as that person says, “Dokdo belongs to Korea.””

I know there is neither fairness nor rationality in Korea.
I have read in other site the reason why Korea does not appear in Int&#039;l Court of Justice is not only because they are disadvantageous on logic with evidences but also they think wealthier or more influential side is sure to win at court in any cases judging from their society.

Anyway, the Japanese had some sympathy for Korea in Japan so that only Japan aided Korea from the last economy crisis but Japanese people are being released from the misunderstanding by a crowd of anti-Japan behaviors and Korea-avoiders who think it unnecessary to help Korea at upcoming crisis are increasing.
That is quite a natural movement.
Japan should assist those countries which return appreciation not evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Highly unlikely…basically I think Korean society, law, and government will allow even a murderer to get away without doing any punishment as long as that person says, “Dokdo belongs to Korea.””</p>
<p>I know there is neither fairness nor rationality in Korea.<br />
I have read in other site the reason why Korea does not appear in Int&#8217;l Court of Justice is not only because they are disadvantageous on logic with evidences but also they think wealthier or more influential side is sure to win at court in any cases judging from their society.</p>
<p>Anyway, the Japanese had some sympathy for Korea in Japan so that only Japan aided Korea from the last economy crisis but Japanese people are being released from the misunderstanding by a crowd of anti-Japan behaviors and Korea-avoiders who think it unnecessary to help Korea at upcoming crisis are increasing.<br />
That is quite a natural movement.<br />
Japan should assist those countries which return appreciation not evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanse Park</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanse Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wonder whether Korean new law will punish those who say, “I am a canadian, neutral and no side taking. Dokdo is Korea’s.”.&quot;

Highly unlikely...basically I think Korean society, law, and government will allow even a murderer to get away without doing any punishment as long as that person says, &quot;Dokdo belongs to Korea.&quot;

Funny how Koreans feel that a Japanese invasion of Dokdo would be more life threatening or important than an invasion from North Korea even when one of their citizens was shot dead on a beach, 9 of their sailors were killed in a naval battle during the 2002 World Cup, and countless other Koreans have been kidnapped, tortured and massacred by their supposed &quot;brothers&quot; up North.

That&#039;s Korean logic for you...place more emphasis on the high imaginable while totally ignoring reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wonder whether Korean new law will punish those who say, “I am a canadian, neutral and no side taking. Dokdo is Korea’s.”.&#8221;</p>
<p>Highly unlikely&#8230;basically I think Korean society, law, and government will allow even a murderer to get away without doing any punishment as long as that person says, &#8220;Dokdo belongs to Korea.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny how Koreans feel that a Japanese invasion of Dokdo would be more life threatening or important than an invasion from North Korea even when one of their citizens was shot dead on a beach, 9 of their sailors were killed in a naval battle during the 2002 World Cup, and countless other Koreans have been kidnapped, tortured and massacred by their supposed &#8220;brothers&#8221; up North.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s Korean logic for you&#8230;place more emphasis on the high imaginable while totally ignoring reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have travelled around Calgary, Banff and Jasper but not met those who are so poor at English as tell a native speaker to study English.
I have stayed in Toronto too but not met those who has even French accent though there was French announce in domestic airline in Canada.
Shae (rare name!) Brock must be struggling with &#039;i LACK english&#039; if in Canada.
I wonder whether Korean new law will punish those who say, &quot;I am a canadian, neutral and no side taking.  Dokdo is Korea&#039;s.&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have travelled around Calgary, Banff and Jasper but not met those who are so poor at English as tell a native speaker to study English.<br />
I have stayed in Toronto too but not met those who has even French accent though there was French announce in domestic airline in Canada.<br />
Shae (rare name!) Brock must be struggling with &#8216;i LACK english&#8217; if in Canada.<br />
I wonder whether Korean new law will punish those who say, &#8220;I am a canadian, neutral and no side taking.  Dokdo is Korea&#8217;s.&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Get a Job, Son!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Get a Job, Son!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Golf anyone?

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2892688

Not sure about the bunker shape, but does it include North Korea as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golf anyone?</p>
<p><a href="http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2892688" rel="nofollow">http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2892688</a></p>
<p>Not sure about the bunker shape, but does it include North Korea as well?</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
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		<dc:creator>bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proudly Canadian:

http://www.freeproxy.ca/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proudly Canadian:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freeproxy.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://www.freeproxy.ca/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ampontan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ampontan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shae Brock&#039;s IP address is from Canada.

On the other hand, &lt;a href=&quot;http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080623101803AA5pI5l&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it was in Calgary&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shae Brock&#8217;s IP address is from Canada.</p>
<p>On the other hand, <a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080623101803AA5pI5l" rel="nofollow">it was in Calgary</a>.</p>
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