Japanese and South Korean editorials on Takeshima: A comparison
Posted by ampontan on Friday, July 25, 2008
ONE POINT I often try to make here is that the Japanese media is not as biased in a nationalistic sense as some people claim. Bias, as with beauty, is in the (biased) eye of the beholder, but I think the tone of the Japanese print and broadcast media is in general rather mild.
“Compared to what?” some might ask, and that’s a valid question. In fact, that’s what this post is about.
New reader Chris (at least I think he is a new reader), contributed some comments over the past couple of days on this week’s Takeshima posts. Chris seems to be a reasonable fellow who expresses his sincere opinion in a positive way, which is always welcome. His exchange with another commenter started me thinking, and that’s a dangerous thing for an ampontan to do!
First, Chris said:
I know anything from a Korean source would be biased towards Korea. Same as with Japan I would imagine.
Poster Aceface replied:
The second largest paper in the country, Asahi, actually had an op-ed by the head of commentary department mentioning handing the island over to Korea in 2005.
To which Chris answered:
Perhaps I should have phrased my sentences a bit different. Most sources from a Korean would be biased as well as most sources from a Japanese would be biased. Every country has its bias when it comes to writing its own history.
Well, why don’t we find out!
The following are excerpts from and links to Japanese and South Korean newspaper editorials about the recent Takeshima contretemps.
Not all the Japanese editorials are in English. The Mainichi Shimbun has temporarily suspended its English website due to the WaiWai stupidities, and a few other newspapers don’t have English translations of their articles. Therefore, I’ve translated the juiciest parts.
Japanese-language newspaper links are as evanescent as the dew, so I usually don’t link to them. I’m making an exception in this case to allow people to correct the translations, if they think it’s necessary, or to allow people the chance to critique the parts I chose to translate.
The point of this is to present a general overview, so please do not write in to say, “Oh, that’s just the XXX newspaper, they’re XXX wing, you can’t take them seriously.” For that reason, I’m not going to identify the ideological orientation of the Japanese newspapers. (You’ll figure it out soon enough anyway.) I’m not familiar enough with the Korean newspapers to say.
Let’s start with Japan first.
Yomiuri Shimbun, 15 July
Teach the Truth—Takeshima Part of Japan
The Takeshima islets are an integral part of our nation’s territory historically and according to international law. This is the position the Japanese government has steadfastly maintained.
And
…the manual calls for teachers to refer to disagreement between Japan and South Korea over territorial claim to the Takeshima islets.
This shows a measure of a diplomatic consideration for South Korea. The South Korean government is strongly opposing Japan’s move, as demonstrated by its plan to temporarily recall South Korean Ambassador to Japan Kwon Chul Hyun. We hope that Seoul responds to the matter calmly.
And
The circumstances took an abrupt turn shortly before the San Francisco Peace Treaty, which stipulates the post-World War II territory of Japan, went into effect in 1952. Then South Korean President Syngman Rhee suddenly declared sovereignty over the waters around South Korea and drew a line in the Sea of Japan to claim the Takeshima islets as part of his nation’s territory. Since then, South Korea has unlawfully occupied the islets.
South Korea is a neighboring country with which Japan has to closely cooperate in scrapping North Korea’s nuclear weapons program and resolving the dispute over its abduction of Japanese.
However, what the Japanese should be taught in school–issues relating to their territory included–is a matter that can affect their sovereignty. Diplomatic consideration belongs in a different category from that covering an obligation to pass the history of a sovereign state and accurate facts about its territory onto upcoming generations….
Solving the territorial dispute over the Takeshima islets is a difficult task. For this reason, it is vital that the Japanese people correctly understand the issue and can state their case to the international community.
Asahi Shimbun, 16 July
Takeshima Issue
For South Koreans, Takeshima is far more than just a territorial issue. It is a symbol of Japan’s past colonial rule of the Korean people. The islands were incorporated into Japan’s Shimane Prefecture in 1905. That same year, Japan divested Korea of its diplomatic rights in prelude to the annexation of the Korean Peninsula.
“Tokto, our land” is a South Korean song taught to all children to inculcate patriotism. The issue of ownership is essential to South Korean nationalism.
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The education ministry’s curriculum guidelines are revised every 10 years or so, along with the accompanying manual. 2008 was such a year.
Some members of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party saw this as the perfect opportunity to insist that schools spend more time discussing the Takeshima issue, as well as the longstanding row with Russia over the Northern Territories.
In South Korea, the administration of President Lee Myung-bak was inaugurated in February. Given the fact that Japan cannot do without South Korea’s cooperation in dealing with North Korea over the nuclear and abduction issues, Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda was careful not to get into a diplomatic fray with Seoul.
That explains Fukuda’s decision not to delve into the Takeshima issue when revisions to the official curriculum guidelines were released in March. As a trade-off, however, he had no choice but to allow the Takeshima issue to be mentioned in the manual. This illustrates Fukuda’s weak footing in his own party.
Lee has problems on the home front as well. South Koreans’ anger with their government has exploded with the resumption of U.S. beef imports. The Lee administration cannot afford to come across as spineless at this critical juncture.
Nevertheless, everybody should calm down.
The manual issue amounts to nothing more than a rehash of the Japanese government’s official stand on the Takeshima issue. In fact, existing textbooks from four publishers already contain passages on Takeshima. The great majority of Japanese citizens hope to maintain good bilateral ties. Tokyo should seize every opportunity to explain this fact clearly and patiently to Seoul.
We can appreciate South Korea’s anger. But that said, it is also a fact that the manual states objectively that South Korea and Japan have always been at odds over Takeshima’s ownership.
Both sides should present their arguments, agree to disagree, and try to resolve the dispute calmly. That is the only way to go.
The Japan Times, 17 July
(The Japan Times is an English-language newspaper unaffiliated with the vernacular dailies.)
Don’t Let Islets Issue Damage Ties
The government’s decision to mention the Takeshima islets, in the Sea of Japan, in a teaching manual has cast a pall over ties between Japan and South Korea, both of which claim sovereignty over the islets. South Korean reactions are strong and could touch off strong nationalistic sentiment in Japan….
And
The decision came at a bad time. South Korean President Lee Myung Bak has seen his approval ratings plummet over U.S. beef imports and cannot afford to take a conciliatory stance toward Japan. Both Japan and South Korea should do their utmost to keep a lid on popular emotional outbursts.
And
During his Tokyo visit in April, Mr. Lee and Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda agreed to build a “more mature partnership” between their countries. The tiny islets should never be allowed to undermine bilateral ties, which are vital for mutual prosperity and stability in East Asia.
Mainichi Shimbun 15 July
Territorial Issues Need to be Considered Calmly
South Korea has strongly objected to the Japanese decision, and has taken such steps as temporarily recalling its ambassador. But at this point, we would like to see a calm response from the South Koreans….
We cannot forget that both Japan and South Korea should maintain strong ties to respond to North Korea. There will be no benefit whatsoever if problems incapable of resolution in a short time cause a reversal in Japanese-Korean relations…
Considering South Korean textbooks state that “Dokdo is our land”, it isn’t unnatural for Japanese textbooks to take up the Takeshima question from this perspective: “As historical fact and international law make clear, (it) is our land.”
Territorial issues easily inflame popular sentiment. This issue should be rationally and persistently discussed by both governments in a diplomatic setting. Repeatedly taking emotional stands will never lead to a resolution…
Nikkei Shimbun (Business and financial newspaper)
I couldn’t find their editorial, but did find this excerpt somewhere else:
“We hope the Japanese and South Korean governments strive to prevent conflict over this serious political problem. The intensification of Japanese-South Korean conflict will only make North Korea happy.”
Sankei Shimbun 15 July (Business and Financial Newspaper)
Clearly Teach that Takeshima is Japanese Territory
…It is not clearly written (in the instruction manual) that Takeshima is an integral part of Japanese territory, and that is highly unsatisfactory…
The territorial issue has a bearing on Japanese sovereignty. Including diplomatic considerations in the instruction manual, which describes how to teach the subjects, will be a source for future trouble in Japanese public education…We have a difficult time understanding Korean dissatisfaction.
Social studies classes must properly teach that Takeshima is without question, historically and legally Japanese territory—including the historical circumstances. That is what public education is all about.
The Nishinippon Shimbun 16 July
(This regional newspaper primarily covers Northern Kyushu. It is based in Fukuoka City in Kyushu and is the largest major newspaper closest to South Korea.)
Seeking Calm from Japan and South Korea
That Takeshima is an integral part of Japanese territory has long been the view of the Japanese government, and a view with which most Japanese people agree. In that sense, the content added to the teachers’ instruction manual merely reflects that view…To have the manual state there are differences with South Korea in claims over Takeshima is an objective fact. Few Japanese will object to the rationale of the inclusion that we are furthering (the students’) understanding of our land and territory…It is natural to objectively teach in classes the existence and circumstances of Takeshima, and it would be unnatural to deal with the situation by purposely avoiding the existence of Takeshima, which is on the map, after all.
And
The South Korean government and people have continued to strongly insist that Dokdo is South Korean land, and that no territorial issue exists regarding the island…(Recently) the South Korean government immediately objected to the instruction manual, and temporarily recalled their ambassador. National Assembly members flew on helicopters there to demonstrate that South Korea effectively controls (it).
But at this point, we want to say to South Korea: “Hold it.”
We want the South Korean government to calmly accept and explain to its people that the content of the manual is restrained, with consideration given to the South Korean view. While there are domestic political considerations, the opposition to another country and conflict between governments can fan nationalism between both people. It can only inflame anti-Japanese and anti-Korean sentiments.
Thus fissures will reappear in the Japan-Korean relationship, which had finally been repaired. Neither country should seek a deterioration of relations…We also hope Japan will calmly exert diplomatic influence.
That’s why it’s necessary for both sides to recognize the difference in claims, and to persistently continue rational discussions by verifying the historical facts.
*****
Now for the South Korean editorials. The Korean Herald and Seoul Times websites are user-unfriendly, and I had trouble navigating them. That’s why they aren’t represented. If I missed some newspapers, let me know. These are in no special order. There are multiple editorials from some Korean newspapers and only one from the Japanese newspapers because that’s how the newspapers chose to do it.
The Korea Times 18 July
Change in Approach
Diplomatic rows between Korea and Japan have followed an almost fixed pattern in the past: Japan usually started them by provoking Korea over historical or territorial issues; Koreans flared up; Tokyo then backed off with an excuse or apology; and Seoul forgave and forgot ― until the next provocation. Upon the end of each episode, however, Japan savored what little progress had been obtained. It will likely be quite different this time…
Seoul may take whatever diplomatic retaliatory measure it thinks necessary, depending on the future development. It is questionable, however, whether the officials should compete to unveil the strong-arm tactics all at once.
What they should do instead is to orchestrate a comprehensive strategy to prepare for a drawn-out dispute first by dividing the roles of administrative and legislative branches, public and private sectors and central and provincial governments and then by combining it into a one, long-term plan.
The real war surrounding Dokdo has just begun in earnest.
Chosun Ilbo 18 July
For Each Provocation, a New Structure on Dokdo
Japanese politicians, from ruling and opposition parties alike, are uniting in their efforts to claim sovereignty over Korea’s Dokdo islets. As Japanese society shifts further to the right, politicians and the news media are also shifting in that direction, giving rise to this movement over the islets. And this movement is expected to continue for a long time. In other words, Japan will never voluntarily give up on its claim over Korea’s Dokdo.
And
In the end, we must stop being dragged around by Japan’s provocations, but start gathering various historical records evidencing Korea’s ownership of Dokdo to prove this according to international law. We must also step up our vigilance. If Japan continues to take provocative measures regarding Dokdo, we should also make it a point to increase the number of facilities we build there.
Dong-A Ilbo 14 July
Japan’s False Obsession With Dokdo
Historically and pragmatically, it is absurd for Japan to claim sovereignty to the islets. Responsibility and discretion lies entirely in the hands of Japan. It can choose to follow rationality and abandon its unreasonable greed for the island or scuttle its recovering relations with Korea.
And
…Isn’t it absurd to talk about “considerate approach” when Japan is talking about another country’s territory? No matter how Japan as a whole tries to disguise the truth, the truth is that Dokdo is Korean territory.
Fukuda promised a future-oriented new era in his April 20 meeting with President Lee. Less than three months have passed, and Japan is trying to stab its neighbor in the back! How can we trust this country and its prime minister? Senior figures in Japan have constantly announced Japan’s sovereignty over Dokdo and have shattered relations between the two countries. Catering to the Japanese population, Japanese leaders have repeatedly made false arguments while turning on their ally.
Shame on Japan! If Tokyo insists on this absurdity, we have to fight back hard. And Japan shall be held solely responsible for the casualties from a harsh bilateral relationship.
JoongAng Ilbo 16 July
United on Dokdo
It is wrong to hit a person and then ask him to stay calm. It is wrong to patronize the person, saying that he hit him with an open hand instead of a closed fist, out of good will.
One feels enraged and helpless upon hearing the Japanese government’s and media’s outrageous claims that Japan owns the Dokdo Islets in the East Sea. Japan’s actions looks like those of a gang member who hits a passerby on the shoulder out of the blue and then through intimidation, tries to keep the person from responding.
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…The Japanese government has upset Koreans’ otherwise peaceful sentiment and now it asks Koreans to be calm in response. This is a serious provocation.
And
…Japanese media outlets also reported that the Dokdo issue was addressed in the recent Korea-Japan summit meeting, even thought that is not true.
And
The Japanese government and media must be aware that the ownership of Dokdo is an issue of sovereignty, that it has nothing to do with any particular administration and that not one single Korean will offer concessions over the islets.
JoongAng Ilbo (#2) 15 July
Dokdo is ours
Claiming that Dokdo is Japan’s territory is one thing; teaching it to teenagers is another. The latter is tantamount to encouraging young people to dispute the ownership of Korea’s territory in the future when they grow up….
And
Japan says the section about Dokdo in the document was stated in an indirect way because it respects Korea’s stance. But this is nothing but a word game.
…If Japan had genuinely apologized for invading and colonizing its neighbors, the government would have refrained from mentioning Dokdo in its education guidebook.
This is why many maintain that Japan wears a smile on its face but will betray you behind your back, and that Japan is not qualified to become a leader in the region or on the international stage.
And
…Japan’s provocation is technically the same as a declaration of war for sovereignty over our territory. Dokdo is Korea’s territory, according to history, international law and geography.
…The Korean government needs to respond with determination but it should stay calm so that exchanges and cooperation in the private sector, such as economy and culture, are not disrupted.
The Hankyoreh 15 July
The right response to the latest Dokdo claim
We must, first of all, note that this move is a shameless distortion that ignores historical and substantial truth. Dokdo is territory proven to be Korean through authoritative historical sources and is under Korean control. But since 2001, the Japanese government has aided and abetted the distortions, and in 2005 it issued an official opinion regarding the textbook approval process, calling for clarity so that there is no mistaking that Dokdo is Japanese.
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South Korea is of the view that this is a rejection of our proposal to “look straight at the past and open up the future,” and is moving to recall the ambassador to Tokyo and take measures that better assert Korean control over Dokdo. This would appear to be the unavoidable course of action.
However, it must be noted that the current situation was, in part, caused by the Lee Myung-bak administration’s flippant approach. He knew well enough how Japan has trampled on the goodwill of previous Korean administrations when they said they would not make historical issues diplomatic ones, and yet he bowed his head to Japan saying that he would “move to the future without raising questions about the past.” When it became apparent Japan was going to include its territorial claims on Dokdo, Lee’s administration got all flustered but was able to win nothing about the matter. It should take this as a lesson, realize that “unresolved issues of the past” are not issues of the past but of the present, and respond accordingly.
The Hankyoreh 16 July
More of Lee’s foreign policy failures
Japan is gradually increasing the intensity of its territorial claims on Dokdo, this while ignoring historical and substantial truth, and its behavior must not be tolerated. The Korean government is taking action in response to Japan’s provocation, by recalling Seoul’s ambassador and better asserting Korean control over the islets.
And
However, the action the government is now taking does give you the feeling it is making a big to-do to hide its own policy failures, given how its approach was completely different from previous Korean policy towards Japan.
The situation we have today originated in the (Lee) administration’s flippant and shallow thinking about relations with Japan, and international relations in general. It needs to reflect on its approach and give deep consideration to the interests of the Korean people and state and base foreign policy on that, because only by doing so will there be a future for Korean diplomacy.
That’s the crop. Additions and corrections welcome.
And as they say elsewhere: We report, you decide.
tornadoes28 said
It all comes down to ancient history for the Koreans (and the Chinese). They can’t seem to get over 500 years of abuse at the hands of the Japanese. Of course the Japanese for the most part have moved on. For some reason, Korea can’t get over the past wrongs so they get extremely agitated when it comes to confrontation with Japan such as this.
They can’t control their emotions so they start having mass violent protests and cutting off birds heads and eating the bird brains. They really need to relax.
nigelboy said
Thank you Ampontan for the analysis.
Another comparison I would like to offer is the current dispute over the Senkaku islands which Japan currently controls but China asserting their claim over it.
Although China has repeatedly claimed their rights over Senkaku (including their texbook), Japan has not reacted the same way (both media and govt) as Korea. Bare in mind that China recently confiscated Japanese textbook earmarked for Japanese school in Dalian which showed Senkaku as part of Japan’s territory.
Get a Job, Son! said
Ampontan.
Well done on yet another analysis of what the media is saying in both countries on this issue.
One would hope a lot of the hot-heads who rant on about the Japanese right-wingers (such a small minority) and the press actions in fanning the flames might read and understand this is not so.
Also of note… there is a lot of comment in the Korean press text above about Japan’s “provocation” about these islets.
I would have thought the ULTIMATE PROVOCATION was invading the islets back in the 1950′s!
Bender said
Nigelboy:
China is much more restrained than Korea. It has a government that can think rationally. I see a better future in China/Japan relations, although many seem to disagree when I said this before. Sure, Korea is a democracy, but the thing is, democracies can fail, and when it does, it’s ugly.
ponta said
great analysis
James A said
The Senkaku dispute has been a lot more level-headed than the Takeshima brouhaha currently being cooked-up. In fact, didn’t the Chinese and Japanese agree to share drilling rights in the Senkaku area? I realize that further disputes might pop up in the future, but at least the Chinese government is pragmatic enough to take a more diplomatic approach with the Japanese, even in the face of nationalist whining.
That’s the biggest problem with Korean leadership right now. If they keep condoning these wackjob nationalist protestors who keep honing their fine skills of public live animal mutilation (Or self-mutilation), they keep giving them a reason to protest.
Get a Job, Son! said
@5
I think you are spot-on about China taking the pragmatic approach. Of course there is still anti-Japan feeling in China (sometimes government condoned).
But right now the Chinese government is more focussed on business and development, and most of the populace about getting thier hands on money, hence development takes precedence over nationalistic blather.
Korea… I think they see the trees, but not the forest.
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tomojiro said
Actually reading Korean newspapers (Japanese version) about Takeshima for the last several weeks was quite a fun. “Cooperated Conspiracy between the Japanese media and the government of Japan”,”a long span strategy by the Japanese government and the Japanese media to regain Dokdo”.
Incredible mindset. The whole Korean government AND the media are just shooting their own feets, and pour oil upon it!
Nothings is happening on this side of the sea, and the whole peninsula is boiled up!
We have funny neighbours.
King Baeksu said
Good job, dude. The hysterical Dong-A editorial is especially funny. Perhaps they are trying to re-ingratiate themselves after they were attacked by protesters last month for being too “pro-US.” It is also quite evident that many of the Korean papers are distorting what is actually said in the new textbook guidelines, rather than reporting them accurately. Well, no surprise there!
permalink said
Very interesting. The Korean pieces all seemed like op-eds. Were they?
ampontan said
Thank you, Permalink.
I did them all for this site. (As is everything else here.)
Kie said
The thing that people need to realise is that there is a lot of hatred towards the Japanese in South Korea still today due to the occupation by the Japanese and the cultural “cleansing” they initiated (amongst other things). South Korea was affected by this in a way that China was not. There is still a living generation with first hand experience. Only by understanding this can you start to appreciate why the reaction of South Korea is how it is.
That is not saying that the Korean response is reasonable, it is saying that the Korean response is unsurprising.
Gerry Bevers said
Kie,
A lot of the anti-Japanese feelings in Korea were created by the anti-Japanese brainwashing campaign conducted by Korean President Rhee Syngman during the 1950s. All Korean classrooms at the time had signs in them that read “Anti-Japan, Anti-Communist” (反日反共).
myson said
Kie,
older generations in China still have some level of hatred and animostiy towards Japan! The reason why the Chinese do not really care today, is because they know the Japanese are not dumb enough to make another repeat of WWII, and Generation X & Y do not have an opinion unless taught by their families. The reason the US ‘supposedly’ does not care, or does not want to tackle the issue is because of China and Russia. I do not know where you get your info. from, clearly “kie” you are wrong!
I personally do not care about the issue, because
myson said
Kie,
older generations in China still have some level of hatred and animostiy towards Japan! The reason why the Chinese do not really care today, is because they know the Japanese are not dumb enough to make another repeat of WWII, and Generation X & Y do not have an opinion unless taught by their families. The reason the US ‘supposedly’ does not care, or does not want to tackle the issue is because of China and Russia. I do not know where you get your info. from, clearly “kie” you are wrong!
From what my friends tell me (Jap/Kor), that island was part of the Three Kingdom era or Shilla period. Some of my other friends mentioned that island was established around 6-7th century but was abolisehd because of the occupation.
I personally do not care about the issue, because
myson said
please exlude/ignore post # 15.
Thank you!
Topcat said
To Kie
” the cultural “cleansing” ”
List all, please.
During the Annexation, Japan freed the Korean slaves (奴婢・白丁) and encouraged them to wear colorful clothes – you mean this by “the cultural cleansing”?
Japan banned juvenile prostitues in Korea – you mean this?
Japan also started to teach Korean children reading/writing Hangul. The first textbooks written in Hangul for primary schools were published under the guidance of Japan. You mean this?
Japan also encouraged Korean girls (not only boys) to get education. You mean this?
Aren’t you supposing that Korea under Japan’s rule was similar to tragic Tibet?
“the occupation by the Japanese ”
A treaty was concluded between Korea and Japan.
Tibet has been invaded and exploited by China. If you imagine Japan’s rule was similar to what China has been doing in Tibet, you are completely wrong.
Anyway, ruling Korea costed Japan a lot.
myson said
check this website out…not only is that little island between korea and japan, but also china and taiwan.. http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=5368024
wiesunja said
wiesunja said
The comparison on how different Korean netizen trolls are from the civilized Chinese is very interesting. Even though China suffered much more at the hands of Imperial Japan than did Korea, their behavior is like a mature adult where as Koreans are like rabid chimps at the zoo who are screaming 24/7 b/c the cagekeeper is paying more attention to the lions next door. Korean trolls are famous for spamming comment boards on the internet with the typical Korean practice of spewing racist, filthy, barbaric words, profanity, and really dirty language. Fortunately, it is not a practice of other Asian countries’ culture to engage in such low class and foul behavior because they are civilized.
It seems that Koreans are incapable of writing any messages without succumbing to their natural instinct of spewing filthy dirty language with words like “f-ck”, “s-it”, and “mother f-cker” or always engage in using hateful racist language and epithets aimed at other nationalities. They also seem to have a propensity to obsess about rape and pornography as symbols of any nation. I guess this is how Koreans are taught in their social studies classes as the single most important facet on which to focus when studying international ulture. I guess use of such language is admired in Korean culture. It tells you alot about their values and very barbaric crude sense of manners. In any case, it shows you alot about the level of their intelligence and maturity.
Anyways, contrast this low class behavior of koreans to every other nationality who has posted comments here which are very mature, intelligent, and thought provoking, even when they disagree with me. Chinese people are like this and that is why they gain respect.
Typical Chinese will say, “I don’t agree with you and this is why..”
Typical Koreans will say, “Motherf-cking jap/chink shit goddamn, go to hell, mother-f-ck, we koreans are so best and civilized, motherf-cking jap, jap, jap, sister f-cking, s-it sucking, mother f-ck, f-ck, f-ck”
As you can see, there is a world’s difference between the two. One is a civililzed and mature nation. The other one is like a retarded, barbaric animal from the sewer.
chris said
Ampontan I would have liked it if you had also included in the quotes where I had written that I thought Koreans were over reacting. If you look through the Korean Times site you will find an “interesting” editorial. the Korean times ran one letter to the editor where the author imagined that Korea and Japan went to war over Dokdo and N. Korea came in to help out S. Korea. The two Korea’s then defeated Japan. I’m not sure how the author ever figured that would happen.
mac said
Wiesunja might not be far wrong but can I ask an honest question? Are the majority of these trolls Korean or, in fact, young Korean-American males who for fairly obviously reasons suffer even greater inferior/superiority complexes?
I think it is the greatest shame for Korea that, at present, this is how Korea is most represented on the internet. It strikes me that many young Korean-Americans males are essentially aping and borrowing from dominant African-American black sub-culture in concepts and language (The MTV Factor) compiling it into a cocktail of all the worst elements of all three cultures; Black, Yankee and Korean … and by doing so creating fairly reasonable anti-Korean jaundice. (To which, I would add the spice of half-baked Post-Iris Chang Asian-Holocaust-Industry victim mentality, i.e the exploitation of others suffer for one’s own interests).
One can see immediately why emigrant Koreans are likely to be “even more Korean than Koreans” in the same manner as emigrant Irish or Scots can be; why bullied kids from racial minorities will ape the dominant bully culture, e.g. the “niggas in their ‘hood” a la Drunken Tiger, and why this is spilling onto the internet … because it has no outlet on the streets.
Corea has little cool factor. Never has been. And it wont in a long time if it becomes one big joke willing to push a region to “war” over a couple of dung capped rocks. So where is the educated Korean voices of reason?
If Korea wants to build more buildings on the Dildo Islands, perhaps the next one will be their Embassy for Japan.
ampontan said
Myson: That is an interesting article, because it took six people to write. There is what looks like a native Korean in Seoul and a native Japanese in Tokyo to act as life preservers for the drop-in Westerners. I hope they’re getting their money’s worth.
Mac: I think you might be on to something there.
Aceface said
“I’m not sure how the author ever figured that would happen.”
This is the repeated plot in many of Tom Clanciesque Korean airport novels,chris.
Mike McStay said
http://mikemcstay.blogspot.com/2008/07/eagle-obama-has-landed-by-oh-young-jin.html
I posted the above Korean Times Editorial on my blog. Please read it and a few comments about the above article.
bender said
It seems that Koreans are incapable of writing any messages without succumbing to their natural instinct of spewing filthy dirty language with words like “f-ck”, “s-it”, and “mother f-cker” or always engage in using hateful racist language and epithets aimed at other nationalities.
This is stereotyping! Boo!
But then, even I think the only ones using profanity on “Marmot’s” are ethnic Koreans. And as mac pointed out, Korean-American males (could also be Canadians or Australians).
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Aceface said
Joongang has editorial on the issue,guys.
http://japanese.joins.com/article/article.php?aid=102886&servcode=100§code=110
T Trimper said
The most telling thing about all the “editorials” (read: public rationalizations) about this “issue” is what is not mentioned in any of them: the natural gas deposits under the rock.
Neither country would give a damn without it.
June said
I discovered this site quite recently, and I have to say that I’m disappointed with some of the responses posted by people who “care about the Takeshima-Dokdo dispute.” I think it’s great that there are people who want to learn more about this issue, but I find it frustrating to see the responses that are obviously unfounded and insulting to Korean people. Every culture has faults, and one of Korea’s faults may be its intense nationalism, but to exaggerate and distort the faults of one culture by calling all Korean people “rabid chimps” is unfair and completely uncalled for. Also, please stop with the stereotyping and generalizing. “Typical Koreans will say, “Motherf-cking jap/chink shit goddamn, go to hell, mother-f-ck, we koreans are so best and civilized, motherf-cking jap, jap, jap, sister f-cking, s-it sucking, mother f-ck, f-ck, f-ck”” I’m sorry to disagree with you Wiesunja, but I think that you are misrepresenting the “typical Korean.” I think this because I have many Korean acquaintances and friends, and I am very familiar with Korean culture. I also believe that you know that you are being harsh and unfair.
My last point is just a general observation. This may be because this site is geared towards Japanese affairs and hence is mostly visited by those partial towards Japan, but most of the responses seem to be in favor of Japan. And some people are so unwilling to give Korea even an ounce of “humanness” that they seem, dare I say it, a bit biased.
To Ampontan, I admire your efforts to provide both sides of the issue, but I can’t help but feel that you may also be a bit biased toward Japan. Please don’t be offended, and please correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t know you, so I may have just made a huge mistake, but don’t you see something inappropriate about the title of your post?
I personally am divided on the issue. I think that both Korea and Japan have made some invalid and valid claims, but since many people here seem so keen on bashing Korea, I’ll stick up for Korea and leave it at that.
In the 1960s, Kawakami Kenzo, a member of the Japanese Foreign Ministry conducted a study of Korea’s claim to Dokdo/Takeshima. Kawakami’s main argument in the study was that the island that is cited in the Chosun Dynasty documents of Korea is not, despite the argument made by Koreans, Dokdo/Takeshima.Kawakami attempted to prove that in the Chosun Dynasty, Koreans were not aware of the existence of the island, which makes null their historical claim to the island. He stated that the island of Dokdo/Takeshima is not visible from Ullungdo (one of the Korean islands), and that the Korean people in the Chosun Dynasty lacked the navigational skills to sail to the island. The Japanese Foreign Ministry then used Kawakami’s research to promote Japan’s ownership of the island. After the publication of the study, however, it was proven that the island in dispute is, in fact, visible from Ullungdo. Also, Koreans had been sailing to Ullungdo and to much further places throughout the Chosun Dynasty, contrary to Kawakami’s claim that Koreans lacked the adequate skills to do so.
ampontan said
June: Thank you. If you have the chance, read the first Busan-Takeshima post further down the page.
Wouldn’t finding something inappropriate about the title of the post suggest that you were biased?
June said
Well, it only occurred to me while I was writing the last paragraph of my response. I was trying not to use one name over the other because I really am on the fence about this issue. I didn’t want to choose one name to use and then stick to it, because then I really might develop some biases. Then I noticed that you chose to use the name Takeshima over the name Dokdo in your title, which made me wonder why. I’m sorry if I offended you. I really do admire what you’re doing. And who knows, maybe you’re right. Maybe I am biased.
Oh and thanks for the suggestion. I’ll read the post when I get the chance and let you know what I think.
ampontan said
June: No, I’m not offended. Stop by any time.
King Baeksu said
“This may be because this site is geared towards Japanese affairs and hence is mostly visited by those partial towards Japan, but most of the responses seem to be in favor of Japan.”
June, I live in Korea but must say that I am partial to Japan on this issue mainly because I find the general Korean approach to it so inane and childish.
The fact of the matter is that there is only a World Cup every 4 years, and in the meantime South Korean politicians have few other means besides Dokdo to unify their otherwise notoriously fractious and ever fickle electorate.
I would also say that at this point, the Japanese side has been far more persuasive than the Korean side as far as historical and legal claims to Dokdo-Takeshima go.
Just my two won!
bender said
June:
Wiesunja has gone over the edge here, but what he says is true in that you can observe many ethnic Korean “netizens” having the tendency to use profanity more than others. No, this blog having to with Japan has nothing to do with this, because they use the same king of language in Korea-focused sites as well (e.g., “the Marmot’s Hole”).
BTW, I have yet to see any credible evidence proving that the Koreans have been aware of and using the Liancourts before Japan declared them as is territory. The fact that Koreans have been sailing hardly proves anything…so has the Japanese, and the extent reached by Japanese sailors far surpasses that of Koreans (there were Japan towns in Thailand and Philippines around the 17th century, and before that, Japanese pirates have been moving up and down the Chinese coastline). Even then, it doesn’t prove anything about the Japanese being cognizant of and using the Liancourts.
And focusing on “Japanese conspiracy” doesn’t really cut it, either. All are mere speculations, and if you’ve ever served in a jury, you should know “good stories” are worth nothing w/o evidence.
Ken said
“For Dokdo, if Korea goes to war with Japan”
This is sheer insanity that a major newspaper refers to such a thing.
There must be expectations to make war against Japan in Korea.
That is why Chosun-Ilbo would have analyzed each military power in detail to respond to the national opinions as follows.
http://www.chosunonline.com/article/20080727000007
http://www.chosunonline.com/article/20080727000008
http://www.chosunonline.com/article/20080727000009
Former top of Korean navy said, “If Korea strengthen navy to 70 to 80% of Japan’s, Japan cannot challenge on Dokdo.” for the article.
Korea always mentions that Japan is militarism to hold Japanese movements in check but it has made clear which is militarism by these articles.
Topcat said
To June
“it was proven that the island in dispute is, in fact, visible from Ullungdo.”
I understand it could be visible from Ullungdo, say, 2 to 3 days a year if you look through a 200mm lens.
http://japanese.joins.com/article/article.php?aid=102694&servcode=400§code=410
http://japanese.joins.com/article/article.php?aid=102700&servcode=400§code=400&p_no=&comment_gr=article_102700&o=d
(There should be the Korean or English version of above articles somewhere, but I could not find them)
Prf. Kawakami’s research is not (or not only) the basis of the claim of Japan. There are various historical documents.
You will find Mr Gerry Bevers’ web site really informative. Give it a visit.
Shae Brock said
responding to some of the comments on #21,
well, it seems you don’t have much past experience.
You are sterotyping Koreans.
I am a canadian, neutral and no side taking.
I know many koreans, they are open minded,
but when it comes to problem like this, they are frustrated.
It clearly says that Dokdo is Korea’s island. Japan on the other hand, came up with a FAKE
..(proven by a Japanese Scientist) historical source saying that the island belongs to Japan.
This type of attitude from Japan cannot be tollorated internationally.
I would be raged if the Americans (sorry just examplifying) came with a forged paper saying that Vancouver island belongs to the States.
Wouldn’t you?
++
Post #21, weisunja,
It’s time for you to meet some Koreans,
it’s not just you.. think in terms of others for once. and please DO NOT sterotype Koreans or Japanese, or Chinese.
Quoting your comment: -Typical Chinese will say, “I don’t agree with you and this is why..”-
really? I mean, REALLY? I don’t think so. With my past experience, I had a really bad experience with the Chinese.
Canada for example has many chinese-canadians. Most I meet don’t wash(really smells..), bad breath, no respect, rude, cuts in lines, I can go on, and on. But does that mean ALL chinese are like that? Seriously..
So before you comment on others, look back at your own country.
Judge yourself, before judging others.
Topcat said
To Shae Brock
“I am a canadian, neutral and no side taking.”
“It clearly says that Dokdo is Korea’s island. Japan on the other hand, came up with a FAKE..(proven by a Japanese Scientist) historical source saying that the island belongs to Japan.”
Aha?
Topcat said
To Shae Brock
“a FAKE historical source”
What is it?
Name it, please.
If you can’t tell us the title of what you call “a FAKE historical source”, then your comment #40 will be thought another version of Korean propaganda.
Matt@occidentalism.org said
Shae Brock, last time I checked Canadians were native speakers of English, not ESL students. You will need more English ability than that if you want to convince people here that you are Canadian and neutral lol.
CrypticLife said
Matt hit it on the head, Shae Brock. Your English is not up to par to pass as native (though not bad on the whole for a foreigner — I’m sure you worked hard and should be proud of your skill).
There are the numerous spelling errors, of course, but the “I would be raged if the Americans (sorry just examplifying)” clearly marks you as non-native.
Most of the Koreans I’ve met have been very nice, but they have been in America (some born here, some not). And despite their generally pleasant demeanor, those who stereotype them as nasty bigots don’t ring entirely false, either. There are undercurrents of a culturally aggressive prejudice there and a hierarchical elitism and I could imagine some Koreans being quite disagreeable.
Intelligent Commentary on Dokdo | The Marmot's Hole said
[...] I linked to two good posts on Ampontan concerning the Dokdo mess — one comparing Korean and Japanese editorials on Dokdo, and the other examining the harm Dokdo could do to otherwise beneficial Korea-Japan [...]
John Brameu said
hmm..
Shae has a point, but also, bias.
I think he’s trying to tell Wei (post #21)
that he shouldn’t be sterotypical..
Shae Brock said
sorry, i LACK english i speak French and English.
yeah, looking back at my comment,
seems kinda bias.
I apologize for that, and i was just trying to reach out to #18 that
he shouldn’t sterotype Koreans or Japanese.
But about the Fake Source, It’s ture.
It was on Japanese News as well.
Go and search for yourself.
Topcat , are you Japanese? you seem very raged at the idea that Japanese were wrong.
I didn’t prove the fake source, a Scientist in Japan did so.
to Matt;
are you trying to prove that you’re illiterate?
Canada is both English and French,
Go and study a bit more before you tell others.. by the looks of it, you’re the one
really lacking knowledge. Go buy yourself sometime to study English, instead of trying to show your childish acts on internet.
Please stay on focus of the above article, I don’t need corrections from you guys.
bender said
#46
Matt’s an Aussie. The last time I went down under, they were still speaking English.
fh said
#39,46
If falsification of historical documents cannot be tolerated internationally, then let the international community (ICJ?) set the record straight. You should certainly present what evidence you have — who knows, maybe you alone have the key that can solve this entire debacle.
Still, what if Japan is somehow indeed correct on its pre-1905 terrus nullius claim, and Korea is actually distorting historical documents to its favor? Would that be tolerated internationally, based on… diplomatic retribution? Post-war reparation? Getting enough people to agree with their anti-Japanese sentiment?
Moreover, resolving this issue doesn’t guarantee any substantial progress. The message here — regardless of whatever biases the author holds on the Liancourt issue — is that Korean media (at least part of it) is teaching its people, future generations included, to fight against Japan, rather than to work cooperatively together. Much of the apprehension you perceive is an inability to understand how Korea and Japan can ultimately resolve its differences if Korea continues to treat Japan as an (or “the”) enemy.
bender said
Anyone’s opinion on the “intelligent commentary” of #45?
tomojiro said
Bender
One thing is sure. Mr.Bartholomew would be the last person who can criticize someone’s opinion as “biased”.
Matt@occidentalism.org said
I posted a critique of Mr Bartholomew under my nom de plume, shakuhachi, on the marmots hole. Mr Bartholomew is not only biased, but quite intemperate in tone. The Japanese guy, Mr Nishino, has his facts wrong and is confused. A case of trauma from teaching at a Korean university perhaps? LOL.
Get a Job, Son! said
The interesting thing about Mr Bartholomews comments is that he chooses to follow the path of arguing the territorial claim to the rocks, which I think misses the point of the original article.
If i can remember correctly, one post was noting that the reactionary stance of the general Korean press/politic is destroying goodwill and development opportunities between J&K.
At least Mr Nishio acknowledges the lost goodwill and development opportunities.
Mr Bartholomew though, decided to display his hand (and perhaps please his benefactors) and dispatch intemperate (…nice work Matt) diatribe about ownership.
As Matt’s fellow Australians might say, “he played the man and not the ball”.
Biddy said
Shae Brock, a post in polished French could prove your point better than insulting Matt.
dandawg said
I live in Seoul and unfortunately have to deal with the childish and unprofessional “news” (more like rallying around the flag episodes) that come out in the daily newspapers here. I love Korea for many reasons, but its news and its ultra-nationalism are not among them. I was glad to see that the Japanese newspapers were a little more professional.
Topcat said
To Shae Brock
“Topcat , are you Japanese?”
Yes, I am.
” you seem very raged at the idea that Japanese were wrong.”
Do I?
Japanese seldome get outraged to save (pehaps) vital energy. We might be natural born ecologists(^_-)
No. I am not outraged, I am just telling you that Takeshima belongs to Japan.
What Koreans have been doing to claim the islets to belong to them is not outraging Japanese; Koreans’ behavior including mass media’s response is just very interesting to us.
” Go buy yourself sometime to study English, instead of trying to show your childish acts on internet.”
Hmmm…..this part you addressed to Matt makes such an impression on me as you might be one of those temperamental people living on the peninsula.
umakk69 said
y’days KT has an article dealing with the Dokdo/Takeshima dispute
and presents a photograph of the rocks (from a view point on Ulleungdo).
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/07/251_28368.html
could somebody comment on the authenticity of that picture, was it
taken recently?
(the text says it is provided by the International Korea Research Institute)
Ken said
I am surprised to know such a country as requires real name to post to the bulletin boards in web and is about to punish those who tell a lie in internet world exists in liberal country.
Question: Which country do you guess it?
The Cyber Insult Crime is also the countermeasure to the campaign having pressure on sponsors to quit advertisement in newspapers which is regarded as reporting along authority’s policy.
The authority explained, “Illegality and chaos have reached to the limit.”
I wonder whether the government that represses freedom of speech is allowed to say such.
Answer: Korea
http://www.iza.ne.jp/news/newsarticle/world/korea/164926/
Topcat said
To Ummakk69
The phot was taken last November according to the article I quoted at #39 (the second link).
According to the article, this photo had required a lot of time and professional photographers’ efforts and a 200mm lens!
The pine leeves in the foreground are, according to the article, the ones on Ullungdo and taken into the photo with Takeshima to prove that one can see the islets from Ullungdo.
I do admire their efforts, anyway, no matter what kind of purpose such efforts are made for.
wiesunja said
For some strange reason, I get the feeling that #47 reeks of rotten cabbage, dog soup, and an inferiority complex rather than Poutine, Bouillabaisse, and Franco-Canuck lingo.
Anyone else agree?
wiesunja said
However, I will give it to the Koreans…they sure are funny when they try to pass themselves off as different nationalities when posting trolling comments on internet boards. I think they do so to try to create the false appearance that other nations actually subscribe to the same stupid and xenophobic mentality that Korea owns in order to make it appear that Koreans have support from others. What a laugh.
Koreans sure are cute when they get desperate…and angry.:)
ampontan said
Shae Brock’s IP address is from Canada.
On the other hand, it was in Calgary.
bender said
Proudly Canadian:
http://www.freeproxy.ca/
Get a Job, Son! said
Golf anyone?
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2892688
Not sure about the bunker shape, but does it include North Korea as well?
Ken said
I have travelled around Calgary, Banff and Jasper but not met those who are so poor at English as tell a native speaker to study English.
I have stayed in Toronto too but not met those who has even French accent though there was French announce in domestic airline in Canada.
Shae (rare name!) Brock must be struggling with ‘i LACK english’ if in Canada.
I wonder whether Korean new law will punish those who say, “I am a canadian, neutral and no side taking. Dokdo is Korea’s.”.
Hanse Park said
“I wonder whether Korean new law will punish those who say, “I am a canadian, neutral and no side taking. Dokdo is Korea’s.”.”
Highly unlikely…basically I think Korean society, law, and government will allow even a murderer to get away without doing any punishment as long as that person says, “Dokdo belongs to Korea.”
Funny how Koreans feel that a Japanese invasion of Dokdo would be more life threatening or important than an invasion from North Korea even when one of their citizens was shot dead on a beach, 9 of their sailors were killed in a naval battle during the 2002 World Cup, and countless other Koreans have been kidnapped, tortured and massacred by their supposed “brothers” up North.
That’s Korean logic for you…place more emphasis on the high imaginable while totally ignoring reality.
Ken said
“Highly unlikely…basically I think Korean society, law, and government will allow even a murderer to get away without doing any punishment as long as that person says, “Dokdo belongs to Korea.””
I know there is neither fairness nor rationality in Korea.
I have read in other site the reason why Korea does not appear in Int’l Court of Justice is not only because they are disadvantageous on logic with evidences but also they think wealthier or more influential side is sure to win at court in any cases judging from their society.
Anyway, the Japanese had some sympathy for Korea in Japan so that only Japan aided Korea from the last economy crisis but Japanese people are being released from the misunderstanding by a crowd of anti-Japan behaviors and Korea-avoiders who think it unnecessary to help Korea at upcoming crisis are increasing.
That is quite a natural movement.
Japan should assist those countries which return appreciation not evil.
kappnets said
Why do Koreans speak so emotionally or unreasonably as discussed? I am curious. I tempolarily assume that Korea is trying to find their national identity, and they become upset if their scenario is disturbed from outside.
Think of the history of the USA beginning in 18th century in comparison. Americans do not have to probe/ elaborate/ decorate the history of native indians before 18th century to find their identity as Americans. In the case of Koreans, their modern history is as short as the USA, beginning with the annexation by Japan at 1905. It is reminded, however, unlike the US, they have a long history as an impoverished nation before 1905 that they cannot wipe off.
This causes problems for the proud Koreans. They want their history glorious. Luckily for the Koreans, they do not have reliable ancient documents as found in Japan (dating back at least 1300 years) and China (dating back several thousand years), and are trying to freely create their history based on fragmentary evidences and ignoring solid data if any.
Their textbook skillfully ignores the fact that Korea had been a lowest recorded level of client state of China. The fact that Japan annexed Korea at 1905 is utilized to emphasize that Japan destroyed and exploited a prosperous country. Takeshima is now a symbol of Japanese aggression. (This is contrary to the more real understanding that Japan came to rescue Koreans from the impoverished life under the Rhee dynasty.) Although their independence was given by the USA, they must argue that they acquired independence by themselves to establish their identity.
They further discuss that Korea used to be the “teacher” for Japanese (with China the upmost teacher), and Japan returned evil for good. (From the geography, it would be true that the Chinese culture came to Japan partly via Korea, but this theory neglects the evidential facts that Japan has had a direct communication with China for more than 1300 years.)
Danny said
Korea’s Tokdo Island is 92kilometers southeast of the island of Ullungdo, marking the eastern boundary of the country. Tokdo is located a 37°14′18″north latitude and 131°52′12″east longitude. Its administrative district and adress is San 1∼37 Tokdo-ri, Ullung-up, Ullung-gun Country, Kyongsangbuk-do Province, Korea.
Tokdo comprise 34 rock islets, including the two most prominent, Tongdo and Sudo.
Tongdo on the east is 99.4 meters above sea level, is 64,698 square meters in size. And Sudo on the west is 174 meters above sea level is 91,740 square meters in size. Therefore, Including a reef, Tokdo’s total is 186,173 squre meters.
Tokdo comes from the word Sukdo, “rock island.” In the dialect of Ullungdo, Sukdo, the main of Tokdo, is pronounced “tokdo.” Tokdo was formed 4.5∼2.5 million years ago. It is mostly volcanic tuff and other volcanic rock.
Although Tokdo has long been known as a barren piece of rock, plants and flowers have flourished in its volcanic soil for thousands of years, giving it a variant beauty from season to season.
Plantains, dandelions, purslanes, goosefeet, berries and panies. These all grow in the alleys, gardens, and doorsteps across Korea. Noticeable or not, they have been with Koreans since the beginning of time. The mention of their names warms the Korean heart.
Tokdo and Ullungdo were both called Usan in ancient times becaues they both belonged to the Usan Kingdom. Koreans came to know them in A.D. 512 when King Chijung of the Shilla Kingdom sent an expedition led by General Yi Sabu to Usan aboard a ship which had a carving of a lion on its bow.
Since then, the Korean people have sailed the blue waters of the East Sea(or Sea of Chosun) to visit the islands. Tokdo has also been called Sambongdo, “Island of Three Peaks,” and Kajido, “Island of Sea Lions.” Its rugged rocks of various shapes have inspired many legends.
Petrels and seagulls lay their eggs here, consoling the solitude of the island. On a clear day, Tokdo can be seen from Songinbong, “Saint’s Peak,” on Ullungdo as it is only 92kilometers southeast of the island. The nearest point in Japan are the islands of Oki Gunto, 161 kilometers to the southeast, from where Tokdo cannot be seen regardless of weather.
In modern history, Tokdo became a part of the Korean administrative district in 1900 according to Royal Decree No.41 issued by King Kojong. The decree upgraded Ullungdo, which had been part of Samch’ok Country, to a country, and placed Sukdo, “Rock island,” under its jurisdiction.
bender said
Nice stories, but no concrete evidence to back them up. Korea has never been able to prove “Ulsan” or “Sok-do” is the Liancourts. Lots of fillers are needed to substantiate such claims, but the fillers themselves are groundless. Belief isn’t goof enough, nor is emotional attachment, and don’t tell me the Japanese burned all the evidence.
If the evidence is flimsy and emotional attachment is all that is there, why should Japan, an independent & sovereign nation, bow to Korean claims? Do you understand that you’re placing Korean emotions as first priority? How are you going to coexist if you have little or no tolerance against non-Korean nations?
I know you’ll never understand, but all that myth-creating just for the sake of nationalism/patriotism. Sigh. Only emotions and absolutely no room for other ideas. Anything to the contrary is revisionism by “evil Japan”. So the hatred continues.
Is it going to ever end?
Ken said
Danny,
You can understand the language of your mother land, can’t you?
Here are the copies of the book titled, ‘Common sense of Korea’ published on 1947 and 1948, which are after WW2, in following site.
http://www.enjoykorea.jp/tbbs/read.php?board_id=ttalk&nid=1111904&start_range=1111869&end_range=1111904
There is clearly stated, “Korean territory is from 124°11′east longitude to 130°56′23″east longitude”.
What?
You do not have common sense?
Oh!Dear!