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	<title>Comments on: Seoul&#8217;s choice: Busan or Takeshima</title>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/seouls-choice-busan-or-takeshima/#comment-17037</link>
		<dc:creator>bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s a correlation between extreme nationalism and IQ. The higher the former, the lower the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a correlation between extreme nationalism and IQ. The higher the former, the lower the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: ilovedokdo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilovedokdo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>일본인들은 말합니다. 세계의 97%의 지도가 &#039;일본해&#039;라고 표기하니 포기하라고. 그러나 한국인들은 말합니다. 세계의 3% 지도가 &#039;동해&#039;라고 표기하니까 이제 시작이라고. 이런 거 돌리는 거 20초도 안 걸립니다. 아주 잠깐만 시간을 투자하세요. 일본에게 한국 네티즌의 힘을 보여 줍시다 The Japanese people say, 97% of the world map marks&#039; Sea of Japan &#039; so give up. But Korean people say, 3% of the world map marks &#039; East Sea&#039;so we will start fighting. It doesn&#039;t take even 20 seconds to turn this. Just sacrifice a little time. Let&#039;s show the power of the Korean netizen to Japan. 日本の人々は話す。世界の97% の地図はそれに印を付けて断念すると同時に&#039; 日本海&#039; 。しかし韓国の人々は話す。示す世界の開始&#039; 東海&#039; の3% の地図はこれをよく好むこと! それは回り、湧き出る! 20 初めてそれはつかまえられない。時ただ時間は日本にショーを韓国のnetizen の力かなり投資する


I&#039;m Korean, of course I love Dokdo. Dokdo is definnetly a part of Korea, and if Japanese require me Busan or Dokdo, I&#039;ll choice Dokdo. Japanese loves Tokyo than Dokdo!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>일본인들은 말합니다. 세계의 97%의 지도가 &#8216;일본해&#8217;라고 표기하니 포기하라고. 그러나 한국인들은 말합니다. 세계의 3% 지도가 &#8216;동해&#8217;라고 표기하니까 이제 시작이라고. 이런 거 돌리는 거 20초도 안 걸립니다. 아주 잠깐만 시간을 투자하세요. 일본에게 한국 네티즌의 힘을 보여 줍시다 The Japanese people say, 97% of the world map marks&#8217; Sea of Japan &#8216; so give up. But Korean people say, 3% of the world map marks &#8216; East Sea&#8217;so we will start fighting. It doesn&#8217;t take even 20 seconds to turn this. Just sacrifice a little time. Let&#8217;s show the power of the Korean netizen to Japan. 日本の人々は話す。世界の97% の地図はそれに印を付けて断念すると同時に&#8217; 日本海&#8217; 。しかし韓国の人々は話す。示す世界の開始&#8217; 東海&#8217; の3% の地図はこれをよく好むこと! それは回り、湧き出る! 20 初めてそれはつかまえられない。時ただ時間は日本にショーを韓国のnetizen の力かなり投資する</p>
<p>I&#8217;m Korean, of course I love Dokdo. Dokdo is definnetly a part of Korea, and if Japanese require me Busan or Dokdo, I&#8217;ll choice Dokdo. Japanese loves Tokyo than Dokdo!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Topcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Topcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Kazam

I wonder if you understand what kind of an incident Marco Polo Incident was.</description>
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<p>I wonder if you understand what kind of an incident Marco Polo Incident was.</p>
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		<title>By: ampontan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ampontan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Continue to engage in current day Marco Polo Bridge incidents&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Say goodbye to your credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Continue to engage in current day Marco Polo Bridge incidents</p></blockquote>
<p>Say goodbye to your credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: kazam</title>
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		<dc:creator>kazam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, &quot;Ampontan&#039;s&quot; posts on the issue don&#039;t really hold water because similar choices confront Japan. Japan can either

1. Accept the present territorial status quo like most nations in the world, and understand that it has very little to gain from continuing irredentist claims against its neighbors. The past century has seen the borders of Poland and Germany move back and forth a few times, but everybody now accepts that fair or not, the present borders are the permanent borders, and nothing will be gained by raising the issue. Poland and Germany have not been at each other&#039;s throats for many decades and Poland now gets lots of German investment. In cases where nations do not accept their present borders, e.g. Cyprus or Palestine or Kashimir, violent conflict has continued for decades.
 
OR

2. Continue to engage in current day Marco Polo Bridge incidents purely for symbolic value when it has no standing army, ability, intention, or public will to back up its provocations. This isn&#039;t really a bad plan and works as long as the US army functions as a security blanket and babysitter, but I think overall it&#039;s unwise considering that the day will eventually come when Japan will have to revise its constitution, maintain its own army, grow up, and leave the nest. All those territorial claims and the decades of inept diplomacy with its Asian neighbors are probably going to make things harder rather than easier then.

So, the choice for Japan is almost the same, forget about some tiny islands of very little consequence and prepare for a future when Japan will be able to stand on its own, or be ready to deal with a significantly more tense and unpleasant situation when the US finally decides that it has no business stationing troops in a peaceful, wealthy, and technologically sophisticated country that should by all rights be perfectly capable of defending itself.  Let&#039;s face it, Japan can only afford to engage in the provocations because the US babysitter can protect it from the other kids, and Japanese diplomacy would be highly different if the US wasn&#039;t still there 60 years after hostilities had ceased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, &#8220;Ampontan&#8217;s&#8221; posts on the issue don&#8217;t really hold water because similar choices confront Japan. Japan can either</p>
<p>1. Accept the present territorial status quo like most nations in the world, and understand that it has very little to gain from continuing irredentist claims against its neighbors. The past century has seen the borders of Poland and Germany move back and forth a few times, but everybody now accepts that fair or not, the present borders are the permanent borders, and nothing will be gained by raising the issue. Poland and Germany have not been at each other&#8217;s throats for many decades and Poland now gets lots of German investment. In cases where nations do not accept their present borders, e.g. Cyprus or Palestine or Kashimir, violent conflict has continued for decades.</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>2. Continue to engage in current day Marco Polo Bridge incidents purely for symbolic value when it has no standing army, ability, intention, or public will to back up its provocations. This isn&#8217;t really a bad plan and works as long as the US army functions as a security blanket and babysitter, but I think overall it&#8217;s unwise considering that the day will eventually come when Japan will have to revise its constitution, maintain its own army, grow up, and leave the nest. All those territorial claims and the decades of inept diplomacy with its Asian neighbors are probably going to make things harder rather than easier then.</p>
<p>So, the choice for Japan is almost the same, forget about some tiny islands of very little consequence and prepare for a future when Japan will be able to stand on its own, or be ready to deal with a significantly more tense and unpleasant situation when the US finally decides that it has no business stationing troops in a peaceful, wealthy, and technologically sophisticated country that should by all rights be perfectly capable of defending itself.  Let&#8217;s face it, Japan can only afford to engage in the provocations because the US babysitter can protect it from the other kids, and Japanese diplomacy would be highly different if the US wasn&#8217;t still there 60 years after hostilities had ceased.</p>
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		<title>By: SeoulPodcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SeoulPodcast #17: Don&#8217;t Kill Yourself&#8230; Slowly (Stanley Crocker)</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeoulPodcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SeoulPodcast #17: Don&#8217;t Kill Yourself&#8230; Slowly (Stanley Crocker)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Seoul’s choice: Busan or Takeshima « AMPONTAN [...]</description>
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		<title>By: wiesunja</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiesunja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;I’d say you follow your own advice,AFTER reading the past posts on this blog or just go straight to Marmot hole and post exactly the samething as you’ve said here.&quot;&gt;

No, Aceface...don&#039;t be too harsh on RTMak.  He doesn&#039;t know any better.  However, I don&#039;t think your suggestion to him to go post on the Marmot&#039;s Hole would be very beneficial to him unless of course he goes and spews rabid anti-Japan comments and uses racial epithets about Japanese.  As long as he does that, he would be welcome on the Marmot&#039;s Hole b/c it is essentially a playground for Cockorean trolls to go an masturbate in orgasmic frenzy by allowing them to fantasize that their scrawny, short legged, Korean bodies are actually the reincarnation of the Ming Emperor.  Of course this fantasy ends the moment their internet connection ceases and then they have to face reality when they step outside of the PC Bang and they realize they are 20 minutes late for their shift at their parents laundromat or mini-mart store in K-town.  

On the other hand, if they even show one inkling of sympathy for anything Japanese, Marmot will ban them into oblivion so it&#039;s pretty much a moot point.

Good luck, RTMak..may the force be with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="I’d say you follow your own advice,AFTER reading the past posts on this blog or just go straight to Marmot hole and post exactly the samething as you’ve said here.">
<p>No, Aceface&#8230;don&#8217;t be too harsh on RTMak.  He doesn&#8217;t know any better.  However, I don&#8217;t think your suggestion to him to go post on the Marmot&#8217;s Hole would be very beneficial to him unless of course he goes and spews rabid anti-Japan comments and uses racial epithets about Japanese.  As long as he does that, he would be welcome on the Marmot&#8217;s Hole b/c it is essentially a playground for Cockorean trolls to go an masturbate in orgasmic frenzy by allowing them to fantasize that their scrawny, short legged, Korean bodies are actually the reincarnation of the Ming Emperor.  Of course this fantasy ends the moment their internet connection ceases and then they have to face reality when they step outside of the PC Bang and they realize they are 20 minutes late for their shift at their parents laundromat or mini-mart store in K-town.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, if they even show one inkling of sympathy for anything Japanese, Marmot will ban them into oblivion so it&#8217;s pretty much a moot point.</p>
<p>Good luck, RTMak..may the force be with you.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There’s a lot more race-baiting than trying to understand the Other’s POV - obviously an anomaly on this blog at least. &quot;

Well,I&#039;ll be glad if you could enlighten us with what made some Koreans beaten pheasant to death and flung it on the fense of Jaoanese embassy.RTMak.

&quot;If everyone took little time to self-reflect (instead of refusing to do so cuz THEY don’t/can’t self-reflect) and have a little compassion (obviously a foreign word here aha) and respect for other’s accomplishments and history….&quot;

I&#039;d say you follow your own advice,AFTER reading the past posts on this blog or just go straight to Marmot hole and post exactly the samething as you&#039;ve said here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There’s a lot more race-baiting than trying to understand the Other’s POV &#8211; obviously an anomaly on this blog at least. &#8221;</p>
<p>Well,I&#8217;ll be glad if you could enlighten us with what made some Koreans beaten pheasant to death and flung it on the fense of Jaoanese embassy.RTMak.</p>
<p>&#8220;If everyone took little time to self-reflect (instead of refusing to do so cuz THEY don’t/can’t self-reflect) and have a little compassion (obviously a foreign word here aha) and respect for other’s accomplishments and history….&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say you follow your own advice,AFTER reading the past posts on this blog or just go straight to Marmot hole and post exactly the samething as you&#8217;ve said here.</p>
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		<title>By: RTMak</title>
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		<dc:creator>RTMak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a non-Japanese, non-Korean American, it all sounds like un-informed racist ego flinging to me.  There&#039;s a lot more race-baiting than trying to understand the Other&#039;s POV - obviously an anomaly on this blog at least.  

It&#039;s pretty amazing how everyone falls into 2 categories
a.) praising Japan for maintaining such a balance of nationalism and openmindedness yet in the VERY NEXT BREATH call other human beings dogs, children, etc. 
b.) saying Korea is not immature then proceed to rant like 12 year old. Though I&#039;d venture to say the poster &quot;C.S.Hui&quot; is probably not Korean b/c a Korean would hardly want to remind the world of VAtech. That&#039;d be like a German using the nickname Adolf Hitler in a Jewish forum. Troll anybody?

Lots of hypocrisy going on here.  If everyone took little time to self-reflect (instead of refusing to do so cuz THEY don&#039;t/can&#039;t self-reflect) and have a little compassion (obviously a foreign word here aha) and respect for other&#039;s accomplishments and history....there&#039;d be a lot more progress on the diplomatic front both here and on the global stage. But since the OTHER country should apologize/beg for forgiveness/grow/get off their high horse FIRST...everyone can just go back to writing angry comments and editing their history books.

And Japanese and Koreans bitch and moan about Westerners being SO MEAN and stuck-up for saying things like &quot;Koreans eat cute dogs with spicy foods, like to shoot people up at school or threaten to shoot people up overseas, think Starcraft is a sport, and really oughta thank America for saving it from Chinese communism&quot; and &quot;Japanese eat toxic puffer fish (weird!) and endangered whales (omg!), make lots o&#039; video games, tentacle porn and anime, have guys that look like girls and girls who are easy like geishas, and were really~ oughta thank America for bombing some sense into them after wrecking havoc across Asia.&quot; 

Woot! Now I await to witness the profound understanding and compassion of the Eastern world towards the ignorant Westerner! Surely, they can take as well as they can dish out to everybody else except themselves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a non-Japanese, non-Korean American, it all sounds like un-informed racist ego flinging to me.  There&#8217;s a lot more race-baiting than trying to understand the Other&#8217;s POV &#8211; obviously an anomaly on this blog at least.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty amazing how everyone falls into 2 categories<br />
a.) praising Japan for maintaining such a balance of nationalism and openmindedness yet in the VERY NEXT BREATH call other human beings dogs, children, etc.<br />
b.) saying Korea is not immature then proceed to rant like 12 year old. Though I&#8217;d venture to say the poster &#8220;C.S.Hui&#8221; is probably not Korean b/c a Korean would hardly want to remind the world of VAtech. That&#8217;d be like a German using the nickname Adolf Hitler in a Jewish forum. Troll anybody?</p>
<p>Lots of hypocrisy going on here.  If everyone took little time to self-reflect (instead of refusing to do so cuz THEY don&#8217;t/can&#8217;t self-reflect) and have a little compassion (obviously a foreign word here aha) and respect for other&#8217;s accomplishments and history&#8230;.there&#8217;d be a lot more progress on the diplomatic front both here and on the global stage. But since the OTHER country should apologize/beg for forgiveness/grow/get off their high horse FIRST&#8230;everyone can just go back to writing angry comments and editing their history books.</p>
<p>And Japanese and Koreans bitch and moan about Westerners being SO MEAN and stuck-up for saying things like &#8220;Koreans eat cute dogs with spicy foods, like to shoot people up at school or threaten to shoot people up overseas, think Starcraft is a sport, and really oughta thank America for saving it from Chinese communism&#8221; and &#8220;Japanese eat toxic puffer fish (weird!) and endangered whales (omg!), make lots o&#8217; video games, tentacle porn and anime, have guys that look like girls and girls who are easy like geishas, and were really~ oughta thank America for bombing some sense into them after wrecking havoc across Asia.&#8221; </p>
<p>Woot! Now I await to witness the profound understanding and compassion of the Eastern world towards the ignorant Westerner! Surely, they can take as well as they can dish out to everybody else except themselves!</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is time for the moderates in Japan to wake up and speak for the sake of a silent majority which has been, unlike in Germany, kept in the dark regarding the country’s darkest moments.&quot;

I advice you to check more facts than hypes.

&quot;I love both Korea and Japan and this sick ultranationalistic race enrages me.&quot;

Funny you can still live in Korea without being immune to &quot;ultranationalistic race&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is time for the moderates in Japan to wake up and speak for the sake of a silent majority which has been, unlike in Germany, kept in the dark regarding the country’s darkest moments.&#8221;</p>
<p>I advice you to check more facts than hypes.</p>
<p>&#8220;I love both Korea and Japan and this sick ultranationalistic race enrages me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny you can still live in Korea without being immune to &#8220;ultranationalistic race&#8221;.</p>
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