Comments on: Matsuri da! (69): Falconry as a Shinto rite http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/ Japan from the inside out Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:32:13 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: bender http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13278 bender Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:23:45 +0000 http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13278 Never said it was true. Kind of like the image of kangaroos jumping around everywhere in Australia. Didn't know I couldn't find them in Circular Quay. So I had to go to Taronga Zoo :)　 Never said it was true. Kind of like the image of kangaroos jumping around everywhere in Australia. Didn’t know I couldn’t find them in Circular Quay. So I had to go to Taronga Zoo :) 　

]]> By: Bruce Smith http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13277 Bruce Smith Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:55:56 +0000 http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13277 Oh yeah the ninja assassins. The number of times I had to bitch-slap those ninja assassins when they pushed into the ticket machine queue down at my local station.... I mean the whole problem with Japan is those ninjas. This one time at the company I was up for a promotion but wouldn't you know it they promoted the ninja guy instead of me. Darn ninjas ;-) Oh yeah the ninja assassins. The number of times I had to bitch-slap those ninja assassins when they pushed into the ticket machine queue down at my local station…. I mean the whole problem with Japan is those ninjas. This one time at the company I was up for a promotion but wouldn’t you know it they promoted the ninja guy instead of me. Darn ninjas ;-)

]]> By: bender http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13275 bender Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:20:10 +0000 http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13275 I think to many people, Japan is also the land of martial arts, fierce samurai warriors, and ninja assassins. Lots of Westerners go there to learn martial arts. it seems that almost everybody who's interested in martial arts or weaponry knows about the <em>katana</em> (Japanese Sword). Falconry seems compatible with this image of Japan. I think to many people, Japan is also the land of martial arts, fierce samurai warriors, and ninja assassins. Lots of Westerners go there to learn martial arts. it seems that almost everybody who’s interested in martial arts or weaponry knows about the katana (Japanese Sword). Falconry seems compatible with this image of Japan.

]]> By: Aki http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13273 Aki Sun, 27 Jan 2008 06:43:47 +0000 http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13273 I was also confused when I first read the Japanese text. Good writers usually write as "西暦500年ごろ" to avoid confusion. It seems that the writer of the original Japanese text did not take enough care to avoid reader's confusion. I was also confused when I first read the Japanese text. Good writers usually write as “西暦500年ごろ” to avoid confusion. It seems that the writer of the original Japanese text did not take enough care to avoid reader’s confusion.

]]> By: ampontan http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13272 ampontan Sun, 27 Jan 2008 03:01:40 +0000 http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13272 Aki: The second one was close to the original. Thanks for picking up the mistake. I've fixed the article. Errors like this are the most common for translators! Aki: The second one was close to the original. Thanks for picking up the mistake. I’ve fixed the article. Errors like this are the most common for translators!

]]> By: Aki http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13270 Aki Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:59:39 +0000 http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13270 Bill: Is the one below a transcript of the one? http://kanzin.hamazo.tv/e902748.html Here is another transcript. http://news22.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1195868335/ Both ones say "500年ごろ", not "500年前ごろ". Bill: Is the one below a transcript of the one?
http://kanzin.hamazo.tv/e902748.html
Here is another transcript.
http://news22.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1195868335/
Both ones say “500年ごろ”, not “500年前ごろ”.

]]> By: bender http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13267 bender Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:45:05 +0000 http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13267 Here's some info I found: http://karatsushinbun.blog100.fc2.com/blog-entry-27.html http://www.karatsu-kankou.jp/history_tanbou2.html Aki's probably right...if it's a story about someone from "Kudara", it's really old. Sorry couldn't find better info. Here’s some info I found:

http://karatsushinbun.blog100.fc2.com/blog-entry-27.html
http://www.karatsu-kankou.jp/history_tanbou2.html

Aki’s probably right…if it’s a story about someone from “Kudara”, it’s really old. Sorry couldn’t find better info.

]]> By: ampontan http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13266 ampontan Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:01:47 +0000 http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13266 Aki: I don't have the original Japanese that I used anymore, but I think I got it right. (Then again, I was working fast, so I might have made a mistake.) Aki: I don’t have the original Japanese that I used anymore, but I think I got it right. (Then again, I was working fast, so I might have made a mistake.)

]]> By: Aki http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13265 Aki Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:45:22 +0000 http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13265 <I>"The story goes that falconers first came to the shrine about 500 years ago from the Korean Peninsula".</I> Isn't "500 years ago" "A.D. 500"? All of the Japanese Webpages related to the shrine that I found on the Web say that a prince of <I>Kudara</I> (Paekche) came to the place about 1,500 years ago. He gave a hawk to <I>Suwa-hime</I> who was a daughter of a patriarch in the place. This story makes sense since, in the 5th-7th century, <I>Wa</I> (Japan) was supporting <I>Kudara</I> that was being attacked by <I>Shiragi</I> (Silla). There already were falconers in Japan in the ancient age since <I>haniwa</I> (burial mound figurines) of falconers have been excavated from ancient tombs. “The story goes that falconers first came to the shrine about 500 years ago from the Korean Peninsula”.

Isn’t “500 years ago” “A.D. 500″?

All of the Japanese Webpages related to the shrine that I found on the Web say that a prince of Kudara (Paekche) came to the place about 1,500 years ago. He gave a hawk to Suwa-hime who was a daughter of a patriarch in the place. This story makes sense since, in the 5th-7th century, Wa (Japan) was supporting Kudara that was being attacked by Shiragi (Silla). There already were falconers in Japan in the ancient age since haniwa (burial mound figurines) of falconers have been excavated from ancient tombs.

]]> By: Jon http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13236 Jon Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:16:26 +0000 http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/matsuri-da-69-falconry-as-a-shinto-rite/#comment-13236 Yeah, people start believing that Japan is only Hello Kitty, Kawaii, etc. but it is more than that. Yeah, people start believing that Japan is only Hello Kitty, Kawaii, etc. but it is more than that.

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