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	<title>Comments on: Japan to add language requirements for long-term visas?</title>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You think the parents want their kids to drop out of school to work shit jobs? More likely the kids don’t feel like they have a place in either Brazil or Japan and decide to unplug from the whole thing.&quot;

Exactly,Shiai.And I don&#039;t disagree with you in any sense.
Thing is,some Brazillian parents do exactly that.
Because a)They didn&#039;t &quot;plan&quot; to stay in Japan that long.But end up staying here.
        b)The divorce rate of Brazillian workers are pretty high,because usually the case is 
          both husband and wife have jobs but not stable jobs.
          So they have to move to where the jobs are,and in many cases they live separately.
          Eventually leads to break up of the relations.And the kids are the most who suffers.
        c)There are lots of kids like above in Shizuoka,Aichi,Gunnma and Nagano.And usually 
          making some groups to hung around during supposed to be school hours.
          That attracts potentially drop-outs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You think the parents want their kids to drop out of school to work shit jobs? More likely the kids don’t feel like they have a place in either Brazil or Japan and decide to unplug from the whole thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly,Shiai.And I don&#8217;t disagree with you in any sense.<br />
Thing is,some Brazillian parents do exactly that.<br />
Because a)They didn&#8217;t &#8220;plan&#8221; to stay in Japan that long.But end up staying here.<br />
        b)The divorce rate of Brazillian workers are pretty high,because usually the case is<br />
          both husband and wife have jobs but not stable jobs.<br />
          So they have to move to where the jobs are,and in many cases they live separately.<br />
          Eventually leads to break up of the relations.And the kids are the most who suffers.<br />
        c)There are lots of kids like above in Shizuoka,Aichi,Gunnma and Nagano.And usually<br />
          making some groups to hung around during supposed to be school hours.<br />
          That attracts potentially drop-outs.</p>
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		<title>By: Aki</title>
		<link>http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/japan-to-add-language-requirements-for-long-term-visas/#comment-13124</link>
		<dc:creator>Aki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overthinker,

The reason Japanese government cannot enforce foreign citizens to go to Japanese schools is that many zainichi Koreans have been against receiving compulsory education in Japanese schools. Although a lot of zainichi children go to Japanese schools these days, many parents stil want to educate their children in Korean schools. For them, compulsory education in Japanese schools is nothing but forced assimilation for erasing their racial identity.

What makes the issue complicated is that, since Korean schools have not allowed Japanese government to inspect their curricurum, Japanese government cannot recognize the Korean schools as schools that are equivalent to Japanese schools. So children who graduated Korean schools cannot be officially recognized as those who received compulsory education. In case of other international shools such as American shools, they allow Japanese government to inspect their curricurum. So graduates of those shools are officially regarded as those who received compulsory education.

If Japanese government enforced foregin children to receive compulsory education, it would also have to enforce Korean children to receive the one, otherwise some Korean would complain about the situation regarding it as discrimination against Koreans. However, as noted above, many other Koreans are against receiving compulsory education in Japanese schools. They would complain about the situation regarding it as forced assimilation.

If Korean schools allowed Japanese government to inspect their curricurum, the problem would be easily solved. However, it seems to be difficult for them to allow Japanese government to inspect their curricurum.

Chongryon&#039;s Website (www.chongryon.com/j/edu/index6.html) describes the Korean school&#039;s position (in Japanese).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overthinker,</p>
<p>The reason Japanese government cannot enforce foreign citizens to go to Japanese schools is that many zainichi Koreans have been against receiving compulsory education in Japanese schools. Although a lot of zainichi children go to Japanese schools these days, many parents stil want to educate their children in Korean schools. For them, compulsory education in Japanese schools is nothing but forced assimilation for erasing their racial identity.</p>
<p>What makes the issue complicated is that, since Korean schools have not allowed Japanese government to inspect their curricurum, Japanese government cannot recognize the Korean schools as schools that are equivalent to Japanese schools. So children who graduated Korean schools cannot be officially recognized as those who received compulsory education. In case of other international shools such as American shools, they allow Japanese government to inspect their curricurum. So graduates of those shools are officially regarded as those who received compulsory education.</p>
<p>If Japanese government enforced foregin children to receive compulsory education, it would also have to enforce Korean children to receive the one, otherwise some Korean would complain about the situation regarding it as discrimination against Koreans. However, as noted above, many other Koreans are against receiving compulsory education in Japanese schools. They would complain about the situation regarding it as forced assimilation.</p>
<p>If Korean schools allowed Japanese government to inspect their curricurum, the problem would be easily solved. However, it seems to be difficult for them to allow Japanese government to inspect their curricurum.</p>
<p>Chongryon&#8217;s Website (www.chongryon.com/j/edu/index6.html) describes the Korean school&#8217;s position (in Japanese).</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/japan-to-add-language-requirements-for-long-term-visas/#comment-13117</link>
		<dc:creator>bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check this out:

http://www.mext.go.jp/a_menu/kokusai/kouryu/05093001/003_7.htm

It seems that while it is not mandatory for children of foreign nationality to attend school, they can if they wish, and it will be free of charge.  I don&#039;t know how this compares to other countries.  Maybe this stance may be considered &quot;passive&quot;.  However, making it mandatory may be a problem, as there are many foreign nationals who don&#039;t want their children to go to Japanese schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check this out:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mext.go.jp/a_menu/kokusai/kouryu/05093001/003_7.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mext.go.jp/a_menu/kokusai/kouryu/05093001/003_7.htm</a></p>
<p>It seems that while it is not mandatory for children of foreign nationality to attend school, they can if they wish, and it will be free of charge.  I don&#8217;t know how this compares to other countries.  Maybe this stance may be considered &#8220;passive&#8221;.  However, making it mandatory may be a problem, as there are many foreign nationals who don&#8217;t want their children to go to Japanese schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Shiai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shiai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with you Aceface. Second generation kids mediate two cultures--liguistically or otherwise--and it&#039;s them who will most often speak Japanese in their family. Blaming the parents for their dropouts misses the difficult identity the kids grow up with. You think the parents want their kids to drop out of school to work shit jobs? More likely the kids don&#039;t feel like they have a place in either Brazil or Japan and decide to unplug from the whole thing. And if all their friends are doing it--why not? I agree with you that parents have a role in keeping their kids in school, but the situation for these kids is not easy. And once you get a culture of failure, common in low-income areas, its like fighting the tide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with you Aceface. Second generation kids mediate two cultures&#8211;liguistically or otherwise&#8211;and it&#8217;s them who will most often speak Japanese in their family. Blaming the parents for their dropouts misses the difficult identity the kids grow up with. You think the parents want their kids to drop out of school to work shit jobs? More likely the kids don&#8217;t feel like they have a place in either Brazil or Japan and decide to unplug from the whole thing. And if all their friends are doing it&#8211;why not? I agree with you that parents have a role in keeping their kids in school, but the situation for these kids is not easy. And once you get a culture of failure, common in low-income areas, its like fighting the tide.</p>
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		<title>By: Overthinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Overthinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And GoJ has no way to enforce foreign citizens to goto Japanese school.&quot;

Why not? What&#039;s stopping them? The GOJ is usually pretty good at forcing foreigners to do other things. Or don&#039;t they actually want them to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And GoJ has no way to enforce foreign citizens to goto Japanese school.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why not? What&#8217;s stopping them? The GOJ is usually pretty good at forcing foreigners to do other things. Or don&#8217;t they actually want them to?</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If the parents are already flaunting the law by keeping the kids out of class, then a law requiring that the kids go to (Japanese) class isn’t a solution. And if the kids don’t manage to learn Japanese, what is the government to do? Deport the kids?&quot;

The parents are not flaunting the law,for they are not Japanese national.And GoJ has no way to enforce foreign citizens to goto Japanese school.

The whole idea is that the kids probably won&#039;t learn a word of Japanese if their parents wouldn&#039;t learn by themselves.Period.

But then again the statemen above is coming from komura,Minister of Foreign affaris,not Educational minister nor Minister of Justice,Minister of health,labour and welfare.Naturally Komura&#039;s statement became pretty vaugue statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the parents are already flaunting the law by keeping the kids out of class, then a law requiring that the kids go to (Japanese) class isn’t a solution. And if the kids don’t manage to learn Japanese, what is the government to do? Deport the kids?&#8221;</p>
<p>The parents are not flaunting the law,for they are not Japanese national.And GoJ has no way to enforce foreign citizens to goto Japanese school.</p>
<p>The whole idea is that the kids probably won&#8217;t learn a word of Japanese if their parents wouldn&#8217;t learn by themselves.Period.</p>
<p>But then again the statemen above is coming from komura,Minister of Foreign affaris,not Educational minister nor Minister of Justice,Minister of health,labour and welfare.Naturally Komura&#8217;s statement became pretty vaugue statement.</p>
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		<title>By: bingobangoboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>bingobangoboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the government were to make Japanese proficiency a prerequisite for a visa, it better be prepared for a huge influx of pasty nerds who can&#039;t carry a conversation about anything except Gundam, because that&#039;s about all that will be available in the foreign labour pool.
If 2nd+ generation Brazilians (et al) are the problem, then it truly is a boneheaded proposal, though fully in line with the sort of half-baked grumbling also common in Western countries.
If the parents are already flaunting the law by keeping the kids out of class, then a law requiring that the kids go to (Japanese) class isn&#039;t a solution.  And if the kids don&#039;t manage to learn Japanese, what is the government to do?  Deport the kids?
And as a simple but not immaterial point about the BBC&#039;s poll issue, &quot;want to talk to *more* (foreigners)&quot; is not equivalent to &quot;want to talk to (foreigners).&quot;   Although I don&#039;t think any conclusions could be drawn even if the questions were equivalent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the government were to make Japanese proficiency a prerequisite for a visa, it better be prepared for a huge influx of pasty nerds who can&#8217;t carry a conversation about anything except Gundam, because that&#8217;s about all that will be available in the foreign labour pool.<br />
If 2nd+ generation Brazilians (et al) are the problem, then it truly is a boneheaded proposal, though fully in line with the sort of half-baked grumbling also common in Western countries.<br />
If the parents are already flaunting the law by keeping the kids out of class, then a law requiring that the kids go to (Japanese) class isn&#8217;t a solution.  And if the kids don&#8217;t manage to learn Japanese, what is the government to do?  Deport the kids?<br />
And as a simple but not immaterial point about the BBC&#8217;s poll issue, &#8220;want to talk to *more* (foreigners)&#8221; is not equivalent to &#8220;want to talk to (foreigners).&#8221;   Although I don&#8217;t think any conclusions could be drawn even if the questions were equivalent.</p>
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		<title>By: ampontan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ampontan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The thing is, Komura said those “staying” in Japan, not those “residing.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The BBC article said he referred to &quot;long-term visitor(s)&quot;. Do you have a link where he said the other? Not challenging you, just want to know. Japanese is fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The thing is, Komura said those “staying” in Japan, not those “residing.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The BBC article said he referred to &#8220;long-term visitor(s)&#8221;. Do you have a link where he said the other? Not challenging you, just want to know. Japanese is fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Baramatsu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baramatsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“long-term resident” is in fact a visa category. It&#039;s listed as such on gaimusho website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“long-term resident” is in fact a visa category. It&#8217;s listed as such on gaimusho website.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices amin´ny teny malagasy &#187; Japana: Takiana ny hahaizana teny Japoney raha hitoetra maharitra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices amin´ny teny malagasy &#187; Japana: Takiana ny hahaizana teny Japoney raha hitoetra maharitra</dc:creator>
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