Japanese officials encouraged by Hillary’s loss?
Posted by ampontan on Saturday, January 5, 2008
IT’S REASSURING TO KNOW that someone gets it. Writing in Contentions, the blog of Commentary magazine, Arthur Waldrop says:
Japan is one place where Hillary Clinton’s drubbing in Iowa may spark some optimism.
During a just-completed visit to that country, (I was repeatedly reminded by) high government officials of a statement by Mrs. Clinton that had shocked them by the way it ignored Japan’s pivotal role in Asia. She had written in the November 2007 issue of Foreign Affairs, that: “Our relationship with China will be the most important bilateral relationship in the world in this century.”
No one who, like me, regularly visits both countries can possibly imagine that China is remotely close to reaching the levels of living standard, education, and economic and technical sophistication of Japan today, to say nothing of its political freedoms.
It’s also reassuring to read that last sentence and realize there are still a few adults observing and writing about Japanese-American relations, rather than the post-adolescents who harp on junior high school textbooks, Yasukuni, and the other tired and trivial subjects the mass media features in its chosen narrative.
Mr. Waldrop continues:
Hillary mentions Japan only once, near the end of her piece, observing: “We must find additional ways for Australia, India, Japan, and the United States to cooperate on issues of mutual concern, including combating terrorism, cooperating on global climate control, protecting global energy supplies, and deepening global economic development.” That is all.
So my Japanese friends may be forgiven if they feel some relief at the primary defeat of a candidate who so conspicuously ignored their country. But they will continue to worry (as I will too) for Hillary’s views are sadly typical of elite American foreign policy thinking today.
The Americans would be making a serious mistake if they think the Japanese aren’t paying attention. For an insight about Japanese behavior, albeit from a very different context, try this from Orrin Keepnews’s liner notes for Cannonball Adderley’s Nippon Soul LP, recorded live in Japan:
The Japanese audience is definitely a part of the proceedings, though not in the whooping-and-hollering way that an American crowd might be. Rigorously silent during solos (but not, the musicians point out, with the quiet you get when the audience is not with you and is sitting on their hands–you could always feel them out there), they burst forth at the end of a selection in a most dramatic contrast.
The longer I live in Japan, the more I am impressed by the enormous Japanese patience with America. I suspect a large part of that patience is derived, ironically enough, from Japanese gratitude for American conduct during the postwar Allied occupation. The Japanese realize that the occupation, and the country that emerged from it, would have been much different had someone else been in charge. They also understand the Americans bequeathed to them a political system far superior to its predecessor and facilitated their peaceful integration with the rest of the world during the difficult period of national reconstruction. That prevented the emergence of a Japanese version of Adoph Hitler, as happened in post-World War I Germany.

What few Americans realize, however, is that human patience everywhere has its limits, and the bottom might already be coming into view. The occupation ended more than 50 years ago, and in many ways, America is coasting on its reputation here rather than maintaining its involvement through positive behavior based on the premise of an equal partnership.
If the opposition Democratic Party of Japan takes power, the process of emotional disengagement with the U.S. is bound to accelerate. That process already seems to be underway even in the ruling Liberal Democratic Party, pledges of allegience notwithstanding.
When the day comes that the Japanese wake up and realize they are more than capable of standing alone, the process will be complete. It is fatuous to suggest that Japan will revert to its pre-war behavior, but it might yet burst forth in a most dramatic contrast that the United States will regret. That’s what happens when you take a person–or a country–for granted.
john k said
If Japan is encouraged by Hillary’s loss (so far)…why make this statement?
“….But they will continue to worry (as I will too) for Hillary’s views are sadly typical of elite American foreign policy thinking today.”
Since the author Arthur Waldrop is actually saying it matters not who will be in power as they are all the same, what prompted his singling out of H.Clinton from the “elite American foreign policy” thinkers? Why not single out the foreign policy makers rather than their candidates??
He goes on to say….
“….I suspect a large part of that patience is derived, ironically enough, from Japanese gratitude for American conduct during the postwar Allied occupation…..The Japanese realize that the occupation, and the country that emerged from it, would have been much different had someone else been in charge….”
I have yet to come across Japanese that is actually grateful for this. They all despise what their country ahs become having to pander to the “imperial power” of the US. Perhaps this is a generation thing…since all my Japanese friends and acquaintances are from this generation, rather than the WWII generation. Those few friends from the WWII “era” just smile and say very little…which speaks volumes in itself!
Seems to me that Arthur Waldrop is out of tune with current generation of “younger” Japanese!
mac said
What few Americans realize, however, is that human patience everywhere has its limits, and the bottom might already be coming into view. … America is coasting on its reputation here rather than maintaining its involvement through positive behavior based on the premise of an equal partnership.
A brave post and one that I have to agree with … to the extent that I am half inspired to question sometimes if American money and influence is behind the problems being fomented amongst some elements in Korea and China towards Japan. That may sound extreme but if you look at the history; Roosevelt’s collusion with the American Volunteer Group, CIA money going into Tibet in the 1950, Korea … and large parts of South American and Middle Eastern political history … it would seem to fit the MO.
Who is in there doing the juggling behind the Japanese political parties, pro and con, with regards this issue?
bingobangoboy said
While it may be true that Clinton is doing disservice to Japan by not recognizing the true extent of its importance, I seriously doubt that any of the other candidates would strongly dispute her statement. Is there some Barack Obama or Mike Huckabee – penned analysis of US-Japan relations I should know about?
And “only mentioning Japan once” (actually, it’s twice; try ctrl-F) in an article not specifically about Asia is about the most pithy, childish idea of a “snub” I can think of. If these high government officials that Waldron spoke to are seriously evaluating candidates by counting the number of times “Japan” appears in their statements, we are truly lost.
By comparison, the UK appears once in Clinton’s article, Canada not at all.
Look, not being off the USA’s radar isn’t a bad place to be. The only foreign countries with high prominence in US political speeches of late are Iran, Iraq, and to a lesser extent North Korea and China. Japan, the UK and Canada have closer and more important ties with the USA, and are rarely mentioned. If you had a country, which group would you rather be in?
bender said
John, it’s true that there’s wide-spread Hilary-anxiety in Japan, even among young people. She’s seen by many as pro-China, which makes many Japanese worry whether the US will ever try to counter China’s hegemonic ambitions. Chinese weight is felt much stronger in Japan. Waldrop must have picked this up. His article is actually nothing new.
bender said
In fact, Waldrop’s article is quite similar to this one: http://www.nikkeibp.co.jp/sj/2/column/i/60/index.html
I think he must have read this.
Aceface said
Lots of Japanese remember how treacherous Clintons are.
It was nobody but Tokyo that defended Beijing in every G7 meeting that China should not be isolated.
And it was American press who condemned Japan for that and Bill Clinton was the key figure of China bashing.Once Clinton took the office,he changed his stance completely,everything between Tokyo and Washington were seen from the angle of trade wars and Clinton visited China for full nine days bypassing Tokyo in ‘97 and criticized Japanese economic policy with Jiang Zemin in Beijing.
Clinton aide,Sandy Burger dumped president visiting Tokyo at the end of the trip from request of Chinese government so that the message,it is China that matters,not Japan,would go down in the mind of everybody.
I remember what Walter Mondale,at the time ambassador to Tokyo assigned by Clinton White House,had said when joint activists from China,Hong Kong and Taiwan had chartered boats and begun sailing to the disputed Senkakus(Diaoyutai to the Chinese)to claim the territory is Chinese.Mondale had said “America is neutral on the territorial dispute,and Senkaku is not in range of U.S-Japan mutual security treaty”.A jaw-dropping moment for the Japanese defense community.
Another Clinton aide,David Gergen introduced Iris Chang,the author of “The Rape of Nanjing” to Hilary Clinton,and Hilary had invited her to the White House.Japanese Embassy in Washington had shit their pants hearing the news.
Hilary Clinton would take lots of her husband staffs with her to the White House if elected.There are reasons for some Japanese to toast for seeing Hilary go down.
Baltimoron said
Although Waldron’s concern about Japan-US relations is warranted, it’s related Japan’s own ambivalence about PRC. Dealing with a modern East Asian region where there’s both Japan and PRC is not easy to conceptualize. Also, you left out Obama’s own silence on these matters. This is a Democratic problem, but at least the Dems allocate 22 electoral votes for expats.
john k said
I think it is obvious that America is “seriously worried” about the growth of China, reflected in the current rhetoric. Despite all the economic arguments, which are all rubbish considering all the “protectionism laws that the US has -yet very few realise this (it sure prevents me in my line of work)-, the US is worried about China growing military power. The US wants to keep its strangle hold on world affairs as it see fit and not be dictated too. Since the end of the cold war, the US has in effect been “judge jury and executioner” of world politics, in its name. China poses a real serious threat to thier MO, even though China has yet to exercise its military muscles.
It wouldn’t surprise me that the real reason why W. Mondale didn’t intervene is that the US didn’t see the outcome –which ever way it went- as having a direct threat to the US. The US only acts if there is a direct threat to US interests. The US has a large reaching avuncular comforting arm to wrap around you, when your needs are seen as a threat to the US. But when you extend a hand out when the “arm” is not reciprocated it is suddenly one way traffic, and shown the cold shoulder, as in the case of the Senkakus territory. Unless of course there is a quid pro quo, which all 3rd world country are only to happy to jump at (Free trade agreements etc), not so the major economic power that is Japan.
As already noted UK, Canada et al, are not considered “threats” by the US to their dominance, militarily. Hence why mention them in a speech clearly aimed at China who is listening! So I am sure Hillary et al, are trying to woo China via trade, in an attempt to pacify their ambitions, which would upset the US’s free hand. It is not getting much success out of Russia, with Putin now flexing his muscles and the US has little response, because Russia cannot be pushed about, militarily.
It is just one big power play, since the US is now on the decline and China, Indian and to an extend Russia, are ascending.
Aceface said
“It wouldn’t surprise me that the real reason why W. Mondale didn’t intervene is that the US didn’t see the outcome –which ever way it went- as having a direct threat to the US. ”
I don’t want to preach you anything,John k.But there is a so called “treaty”that made America responsible of defending Japan and according to GoJ,Senkaku is part of Japan.Hypocratic thing was Walt Mondale was among those who advocate that Japanese are not doing enough to share the burden of maintaining security of the region and the world and pressed Tokyo to do more and more.
Thankfully this policy was changed by our man in Washington,Dick Armitage clearly saying the Senkaku is in the scope of interest of the alliance.
Part of the reason why MoFa scrambled to send troops to Iraq and vessels to Indian Ocean at Armitage’s famous request,”Show the Flag” and “Boots on the Ground”.
john k said
Aceface
I must confess, i know nothing about the Senkaku situation, but i still think my assumptions hold some water none the less. But thanks for the info.
ampontan said
Baltimoron: Nice handle you have there. In fact, I’m a Baltimoron too!
No, I didn’t mention Obama, but then the post wasn’t about Obama. Can’t write a book with each post. He’s also less likely to be nominated, and less likely to win if nominated.
John K: Don’t understand your assertion about Russia at all. It is in a demographic death spiral, it has an infant mortality rate (and health care system) of Third World countries, men have an extremely short life expectancy (less than 60 IIRC), an estimated 70% of all pregnancies end in abortion, Muslims could account for a majority of military personnel in another 10-15 years, the Muslim population of Moscow is growing rapidly, and there is open speculation about when Vladivostok will revert to China, as people are picking up and leaving the eastern part of the country lock, stock and barrel.
Oh, and democracy turned out to have been a failure.
About the only thing it has going for it now is oil revenue. I would not call this a country that’s ascending.
mac said
I am kind of enjoying Mike Rogers at lewrockwell.com. I have no idea of the overall politics of the site but the guy is astute and, I think, funny. his take on the relationship between the US, China and Japan, dated two years ago is on a parallel with mine, (noting the unfunny reference to the bombing of the civilian populations of over 30 countries since 1945 by the “United States” … hey, Japan should be grateful its only going to be shafted politically). The simmering China issue being used to drag flak away from Iraqi failure
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rogers/rogers140.html
I cant understand the fixation on Presidential campaigning. I mean, it is just more Hollywood. Its strikes me America is like some menopausal woman now having hot flushes, losing her head and acting like an infatuated teenage ever 4 year or so. Come one, its not here the action is.
Mike does another really saddening and, I feel, emblematic article on the nature of the cultural and economic shafting Japan has received.
Japan, Amway, George Bush and Diana Ross – Your Tax Dollars at Work! … http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/rogers2.html
As an aside, can I put my hand up as someone that whooped a sigh of relief when Iris Chang’s did the noble thing and ended her own career prematurely.
The US is on a campaign of containment of China building bases all around its perimeter, including previous Soviet states. I am not sure about Japan’s puppy dog status. When push comes to shove, I can’t imagine the US giving a damn.
bender said
I wouldn’t worry about Hillary or any candidate screwing up Japan or aligning with China. East Asian affairs is probably the last thing they care about. The American presidential issue is more like gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, and maybe health care.
Aceface said
I don’t believe America aligning with China anytime soon.There more gains for Washington by making Tokyo and Beijing antagonize with each other.But there will be the day when America rejects being forced to choose sides over Japan and China.And if that happens while Tokyo is still in the state of strategic restraint as we are now,we will be in one serious mess.
Baltimoron said
I guess everyone is trying to peer under Obama’s surface to find out what he really thinks.
It’s amazing how easily Ampontan (no singling you out, just pointing out the thread above) will write off Russia, but there’s this divide over China. I’m china-skeptical, as well. Japan has been around the block; China hasn’t proved to me it can whether life without the Communist party or stay united. I might have my qualms about Japanese political culture, but I still think China would be well-advised to be more like Japan, Korea, and Taiwan.
Aceface said
Awwright.It’s Waldron,not Waldrop.(as Baltimoron correctly posted).
I’m very much aware of Arthur Waldron’s work.
Just in case anyone is interested.From the blog “China Matters”.Criticizing Waldron’s lean to Japan and rightist American “blue team”.Waldron himself posted a comment.
http://chinamatters.blogspot.com/2005/05/arthur-waldron-and-rightward-drift-of.html
ampontan said
Aceface: Nice find, and nicely done by Waldrop.
Baltimoron: I have similar views on China and have often expressed them here and on a different website over the past couple of years. The other poster’s mention of Russia in this instance stood out.
bender said
but I still think China would be well-advised to be more like Japan, Korea, and Taiwan.
I for one have serious doubts about S Korea. The government is endorsing xenophobic nationalism which is flamed by their media. More yet, academics are enthusiastic about rewriting history so the Korean race will look “greater”. Now, they’re even having historical issues with China …let’s see if any of this changes in the new regime. I think China and Japan gets all the criticism in East Asia while countries like S Korea seem to be under the radar screen of western medias…
I for one think Chinese leaders are quite pragmatic. See how Japan was able to improve relations with China but not with S Korea.
Baltimoron said
Bender:
There’s good stuff in your comment about ROK. It’s worth a post when I can sit down to do it. I agree with much of what you say. Instead of the media, I would blame the public schools and teachers’ unions. I would also argue that Korea traditionally fluctuates between political factions wildly, so what we see now are the conservatives and a different regional clique consolidating power. But, I would also argue that ROK is starting the corporation reform process, although it has done little and in some ways has backtracked. It also rewrote its constitution to leave the dictatorship behind. Both of these accomplishments warrant more praise than Beijing’s raw economic prowess.
Bern said
The democratic challenged US needs to get Ron Paul into office however I would not be suprised if Hillary gets into office by a vote frawd.
As for the China. You have to remember that Japan together with EU are all alligned with US. I am not worried about China one bit just as I am not worried about India also becoming a new economical power house.