Stopping Japanese whaling by hook, crook, or steel enema
Posted by ampontan on Wednesday, February 14, 2007
It’s hard to say which is more astonishing—the story itself, or the lack of coverage, particularly in Japan. As far as I can tell, only the Australian and New Zealand media are covering the story, and the only place I found it was on journalist/blogger Tim Blair’s website.
The tale involves the Nisshin Maru and the rest of the whaling fleet of the Institute of Cetacean Research in Tokyo, and their antagonists, the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. The Nisshin Maru plans to catch about 950 minke whales, and the Sea Shepherd Society is trying to stop them.
You might expect the world’s sympathy to be on the side of Sea Shepherd and against the Japanese, but that’s not the case. In fact, just about everyone involved in this comedy of errors is helping the Japanese and hindering the conservationists—including the governments of anti-whaling countries that wish the Japanese would stop. Even though Greenpeace is also trying to stop the Japanese, they won’t have anything to do with Sea Shepherd.
Somebody must like them, however—they had enough money to buy two ships and a helicopter that they’re using to chase the Japanese ships in the Ross Sea off Antarctica, south of New Zealand.
Here’s a listing and bios of the Sea Shepherd ships’ two crews. It makes for both entertaining and educational reading. One crew member is Tim Gorski, who is a self-described “independent documentary filmmaker/animal activist with 12 awards for my first feature film, “Lolita: Slave to Entertainment.” He wears a red head scarf. Another is John Gravois, who introduces himself this way: “Armed with only my best friend’s iPod and my trusty bicycle, I left my home in Claremont, California to pursue my two life goals; liberating the oceans from man’s tyranny, and becoming a buccaneer.” A third is a tatoo artist who claims to have founded the Whale Weirdo Foundation.
While you’re wondering about a guy who would take a bicycle to Antarctica to fulfill his buccaneer fantasies, here’s the captain of this…well, motley crew.
“Sea Shepherd is the only organization in the world willing to go to the Antarctic to intercept the Japanese whaling fleet and shut them down,” said Paul Watson. “This is an international effort to uphold international law against a pirate whaling operation.”
If you think these folks might have trouble with seamanship, you’re right. After 12 days of fruitlessly searching for the Japanese whalers in January, the group offered a $25,000 reward for help to locate them. Captain Watson complained that a New Zealand Air Force plane spotted the Japanese ships, who were playing hide-and-go seek, but wouldn’t tell them their location. (Captain Watson, as we shall see, likes to complain.) Said the cap’n.:
“That makes the New Zealand Government complicit in criminal activity as what Japan is doing is illegal….We have also found out US Naval Intelligence has been tracking us by satellite and giving information to the Japanese.”
Sound a bit like the Caine Mutiny to you?
Greenpeace then joined in the hunt for the Japanese, but said it wouldn’t tell Sea Shepherd if they found them.
“We have a principle of peaceful protest, which Sea Shepherd does not,” Greenpeace spokeswoman Sara Holden said.
Greenpeace is apparently referring to Captain Watson’s statement that he would ram the Japanese if he found them. He promised to give them a “steel enema”. Also, one of his ships is equipped with a “hydraulic can opener”.
Once a sailor, always a sailor!
After five weeks, however, the Sea Shepherd group were about to give up earlier this month as they were running short of fuel. But that wasn’t their biggest concern. The group has two ships, one of which was registered with Belize, and the other with Great Britain. Both were registered as pleasure craft, so after the action started, Belize immediately deregistered its ship. The British said they would do the same on February 19, amidst charges of Japanese diplomatic pressure. (What the Japanese could do to bring pressure on the British, I’m not sure.)
This is an important distinction because the deregistered ships would then become “pirate” ships under the UN Law of the Sea, and the crews subject to arrest if they landed. Well, they’re getting what they asked for—Seaman Gravois said he wanted to be a buccaneer when he grew up, and both ships fly the Jolly Roger (as you can see from the photos in the links).
Complained Captain Watson:
“It sure is hard trying to save whales if so-called whale-friendly governments like the UK, Australia and New Zealand side for all intents and purposes with the whalers,” he said.
Then two of the wannabe pirates got lost looking for the Japanese. Tip your hat to the Japanese whalers–they pitched in to help look for them. In fact, it was the first time that Japanese whalers ever worked together with Greenpeace for any reason. One of the lost sailors turned out to have been John “The Buccaneer” Gravois. But the old salt Captain Watson reported he finally found his stray lambs by sailing around in circles. What did he think about the Japanese aid?
Captain Watson said he had thanked the Japanese for their assistance, and then told them, “now it’s back to business.”
And back to business it was, as the two Sea Shepherd ships caught the Japanese by surprise. They didn’t operate the can opener, but they threw butylic acid, which they called butter acid, on the deck of one ship, and used nail guns to try to nail plates over drain outlets in the Nisshin Maru’s hull.
The acid slightly injured two Japanese crew members. The Cetacean Institute issued a statement branding the group’s behavior as “piratical, terrorist acts”, which the activitists probably took as praise.
The affair has escalated over the past couple of days, as the media now reports one of the Sea Shepherd ships, the Robert Hunter, collided with one of the Japanese whaling ships. Captain Watson said he was trying to force one of the Japanese ships into an area heavy with ice when the Japanese ship rammed it. Both ships suffered damage, and the Japanese ship sent out a distress signal, but apparently no one is in immediate danger. Here is Watson’s complaint:
He blamed the Japanese vessel for the subsequent collision, saying the whaling ship had backed up on the group’s vessel, the Robert Hunter…The Robert Hunter had earlier tried to force the whaling vessel into a part of the sea heavy with ice, in an attempt to stop the hunt, Watson said. “They were going after some whales, we moved in and they moved away,” he said. “(Then) they backed up and hit the Robert Hunter, causing a rip in the hull…Of course when they ram us, people say ‘you shouldn’t have been there’. It’s a total double standard…The Kaiko Maru has issued a distress signal. We have acknowledged this distress signal but they refuse to say what distress they are in.”
Will somebody break the news gently to the Captain?
One of the Sea Shepherd ships, the Farley Mowat, was running out of fuel and hoped to get some from the Robert Hunter, but that became more difficult after the Robert Hunter was damaged. This may force both ships to port, assuming that their negotiations to prevent their arrest as pirates are going well.
It turns out that Captain Watson has a bit of a problem with the truth in addition to a predilection for complaints. The Institute of Cetacean Research has uploaded videos at their website showing the Robert Hunter ramming one of their ships. (The link is at the top of the post.) After ramming the Japanese ship, the Robert Hunter got stuck in the ice.
Something to think about: There is a moratorium on commercial whaling, but Japan takes whales under what it calls a scientific whaling program. They admit, however, that some of the whales are eventually eaten. Yet Iceland and Norway ignore the moratorium and openly conduct commercial whaling expeditions.
Why does Sea Shepherd harass the Japanese and not the Europeans? Do they find it easier to bully Asians? Or do they know that the Japanese won’t fight back?
Here are the links:
January 28: Reward offer
February 9: All at sea
February 9: Missing buccaneers found
February 9: Pirates attack!
February 9: Japanese protest!
February 12: Collision! (From New Zealand)
February 12: Ramming claim (From Australia)
Stay tuned for any updates!

madne0 said
These people are their own worst enemies. I sympathize with their cause (against whaling) but throwing acid? Ramming ships? Lunatics. They almost make me crave for a whale burger.
Albion said
Whale meat can be very delicious. No problems at all with eating it. My only worry — and I have the same worry about tuna — is that there is too much mercury and dioxin, etc in the meat.
If the numbers of certain species of whale are high enough to sustain catching a set number per year for human consumption, why would anyone be against whaling?
Because in the past people conducted irresponsible whaling? Bad argument. In the past people did a lot of irresponsible things (errr, like doctors didn’t used to wash their hands between patients, for example). We live and learn. And change our ways.
Sheesh, with only 40% self-sustainability in terms of the domestic food supply, Japan needs all the food it can get.
So, lemme get this straight: Sea Shepherd et al are against whaling … what? As a matter of principle? Because it’s immoral to kill whales (yet it’s OK to slaughter, say, pigs? I don’t get it…)?
I know: let’s all eat nothing but cauliflower and tofu from now on. That sounds like the ethical choice to me.
haafu said
All anti-whaling groups are basically anti-Japanese. European whaling countries are hardly ever mentioned.
GI Korea said
Remember certain tribes of American Indians in the Pacific Northwest are also allowed to hunt whales and yet no righteous indignation from these anti-whaling groups against them as well. It is not politically correct to criticize native Americans compared to going after the Japanese. I think there is a bit of racism at play with these people figuring they can get more coverage going after the Japanese compared to any of the other whaling nations.
James A said
This nutcase sounds like a nice target for the JMSDF to test out the weapon systems on their brand new Atago-class AEGIS destroyer. Granted there’s no chance of that ever happening, unfortunately.
Actually, I’ve heard of anti-whaler groups doing similar things to Norwegian whalers in the past, and during the Cold War, against Soviet whalers. Just what is it about anti-whaling groups that attracts the most fanatical diehard mental cases? No wonder the environmental movement gets such a bad rap these days.
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Dobbs said
Guess what the eco-loons are preparing to attack the Japanese whaling fleet again this year. Additionally they are trying to get the new prime minister Kevin Rudd to deploy the Royal Australian Navy to go to war with them:
http://dailyboomerang.com/2007/11/27/australia-to-attack-japanese-whaling-ships/
ampontan said
Hi Dobbs! I’ve been following it a little bit, but in the absence of anything happening yet, I’ve held off writing about it.
Those who didn’t read this article should take a look at it to see just how unusual Sea Shepherd is. Even Greenpeace doesn’t like them.
I wondered where they got their money. Operating two ocean-going vessels can get expensive. Turns out some Hollywood stars donate. Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, and Pierce Brosnan were the names I saw.
Ken said
Bill,
I asked an Australian about a CF but it seemed hard for him to answer.
If New Zealanders loves animals that much like this topic, following CF should have upset them, should’t it?
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/pandiani/e/e22f1f7a2289d148ab51132cd17045dd
Overthinker said
I cannot imagine that ad could have been broadcast in NZ or anywhere, but cannot find anything about it – the Hyundai ad everyone seems to hate is the one with toddlers driving. The New Zealand Advertising Authority (asa.co.nz) makes no mention of it. However Hyundai’s NZ site, while not carrying the video, does mention that ads for that model have “content that may offend”. SO I presume that either it’s a very slick parody, or Hyundai never released it on TV and quickly pulled it from their site.
Aki said
I have watched that video when it was still on the Hyndai’s NZ site. I cannot understand why they made such an unbelievably disgusting ad.
tomojiro said
I really don’t know what the hell the Hyundai ads has to do with problems surrounding protests against whaling.
Just to point out that “Coreans” are “worse” than Japanese in abusing “Mammals”?
ponta said
The point is if NZ as a protester against Japan’s whaling has a consistent attitude toward animal right,isn’t it?
Well I don’t know, broadcasting a disgusting Hyundai ad does not necessarily mean NZ endorces it, but I guess if NZ prohibited the ad showing killing and eating a whale while she allowed the ad killing and eating a cat, it would surely show her inconsistent attitude.
tomojiro said
So its all about NZ and not about the damned “Coreans”!
Interesting! So Hyundai has nothing to do with that, even if it is not clear whether it was actually aired in NZ.
All those damned 反日 new zealanders!
I agree. We should chop all our fingers and sent them to the NZ embassy.
Overthinker said
First, let’s make sure that the ad was in fact broadcast, which seems unlikely. There is no mention I can find of it ever being broadcast, which implies it was internet-only. So the comparison between that and any other ads about whales that were actually broadcast does not stand up (since the car ad was never ‘public’ as such). This ad is clearly the work on Hyundai alone, but the question is, was it Hyundai NZ who approved it, or Hyundai Korea? Or rather, since it was not a TV ad it doesn’t really matter.
Now, I understand PM Helen Clark has made a few statements about lack of support, so when she also goes on the record as supporting bbq’ed roadkill cat, then there is a better case.
If you chop your fingers off and send them to the NZ Embassy, maybe they can build a yubidzuka (指塚)?
ponta said
The comparison still holds, because my argument is hypothetical.
Aceface said
I think the matter related with whaling revolves more around the environmentalist than animal right activist.
Anyway “Coreans” are one of our few remaining “allies” in the battle for whaling along with People’s Republic of China……
Overthinker said
“The comparison still holds, because my argument is hypothetical.”
So you’re saying that IF that ad was broadcast in NZ then your comparison would be valid? But doesn’t the very fact that it was not shown show that your hypothetical question can be easily disproved?
ponta said
If A approves of P while A disapproves of Q where P and Q are not different in a relevant sense, A is inconsistent. Whether P or Q in fact exists or not does not matter.
Aceface said
I’m going to do the usual change of topics here.You wouldn’t mind,Would you Ponta?
This just in.New Australian cabinet is assigned former MIDNIGHT OIL vocalist and MP Peter Garett as enviromental minister.
Mr.Garett has spoken to Australian paper “The Age” in May 20 of this year.
“If Japanese vessels in Australian fishing waters are engaged in illegal activity then there is an option there for the Australian Navy to get involved. That’s always been the case.”
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/labor-raises-a-harpoon-to-strike-at-japanese-whaling/2007/05/19/1179497342303.html
ampontan said
What do you expect from a rock singer turned politician?
It should be noted that what Australia considers a whaling-free zone in the area is not recognized as such by the IWF. Only Australia thinks so.
Also, when the US asked Japan to stop the whaling fleet last week, they also said that they realized it was not illegal.
It will be interesting to see if there are any adults in the new Australian government. I hope so. Otherwise it will just turn into another media blare-a-thon.
And they say Japan acts like a nation of 13-year-olds!
Aceface said
We will all act like 13 years old,if only Kevin Rudd would choose Nicole Kidman as the special envoy to Tokyo!
ponta said
No , with pleasure. I just follow the topic someone presented, and enjoy examining the discussion. Go ahead make your day.
(Tangential note, I don’t care if Japan gives up whaling, but I just don’t understand why some people are against it despite the fact it is legal and despite the fact it is done on the same moral ground as eating beef and pork etc.)
ampontan said
Aceface: I don’t think 13-year-olds would cut it with Nicole!
But she’s not my taste. I like Japanese television announcers and newscasters. (Not interested in actresses, for some reason)
Ponta: In the West, big international businesses and banks have concluded that environmentalism behaves like a religion, and that businesses have to deal with it in each area as if they were dealing with a local religion.
The Hindus have their sacred cows. The Muslims and the Jews don’t eat pork. The Environmentalists have whales and genetically modified foods.
Overthinker said
“If A approves of P while A disapproves of Q where P and Q are not different in a relevant sense, A is inconsistent. Whether P or Q in fact exists or not does not matter.”
Where has A approved of P and and disapproved of Q? A=NZ appears to disapprove of both, hence the anti-whaling stance and the withdrawal of that cat ad from the Hyundai site (note too that Hyundai NZ is not the NZ govt).
“…despite the fact it is done on the same moral ground as eating beef and pork etc.”
Well, beef and pork farmers take meat from animals they personally own, ensure are replaced, and feed. A better comparison would be with people gathering wildflowers in the hills.
ponta said
That makes sense.
It is a matter of logic.
For instance, as a matter of fact, I disapprove of cocaine and I disapprove of drugs that Hiropon, but if approved of the one while disapproving the other, I would be inconsistent unless I showed a significant difference between the two.
In view of moral ground, what matters is rather that whales and cows are both mammal, they are sentient beings, they feel pains. Some Utilitarian object to killing whales and cows because they are sentient beings. In this regard, they are sacrificed on the same moral ground.
I don’t see how the difference you point out comes in the picture of morality.
bender said
A better comparison would be with people gathering wildflowers in the hills.
I agree with this one. The Japanese are fishing for whales in the Antarctic and other public seas. Up to 1,000 whales. I’d be pissed off if anyone takes lots of california poppies from the hills around Berkeley even if they’re not endangered.
Overthinker said
Moral ground? Isn’t the issue about them being endangered? I thought the moral issues that got the Aussies et al fired up were about killing rare animals, not killing mammals.
I don’t understand this: “drugs that Hiropon”.* And I still don’t see where NZ has approved of P and not Q. That Hyundai ad does not seem to have ever been publicly broadcast and was removed from the (private property) Hyundai site. That seems to me to be a significant difference.
*Now I do: “After World War II, a large supply of amphetamine, formerly stockpiled by the Japanese military, became available in Japan under the street name shabu (also Philopon (pronounced ヒロポン, or Hiropon), its tradename there.)”
ponta said
Moral ground?
Yes, your comment is about my comment that ““…despite the fact it is done on the same moral ground as eating beef and pork etc.”
As for the Hiropon yes.I noticed the mistake, but I was too lazy to correct it. Sorry.
Overthinker said
Yes, but the morality I was thinking of was killing endangered animals vs animals you replaced yourself. This is why arguments from morality are tricky as morality is so flexible.
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Sorros said
I work in a hospital and we sometimes get prisoners in. they are real quick to quote the law.
Demand their rights and proclaime their rights. These are the theives ,rapists, and every kind of criminal.
I’s amusing to see the crew of the steve erwin, attack a vessel, commit piracy, use chemical wheapons against other vessels, ram vessels, try to cause millions of dollars in damage to privately owed ships, at there choosing.
then try to claim the high moral ground, they kidnapped my crew as they climbed on their vessel.
I think hitler, Stalin and Putin, Sedom Hussein, claimed the same moral high ground when they commited there acts of terrorism.
mac said
Sorros, please!
“Reductio ad Hitlerum” … you lose the debate for playing the Nazi card. Beyond which throwing in Reductio ad Stalinum AND Reductio ad Saddam AND rape AND terrorism really buries yourself in your own defeat.
Listen folks, before the industry PR guys mash your brains, the “acid” was rancid butter stink bombs. Its a food and perfume additive and your body produces it naturally. The deal is, the stink has to be cleared off the slaughter deck stopping the work of cutting up live whales and it takes hours.
Personally, I think we should all club together and buy Paul Watson a submarine so he can do the job properly and in stealth mode … may be an old U-Boat with one of those big cutter blades up front. Heck, you can pick up a Russian “Whiskey Class” submarine for only $497,000 USD (cruise missiles not included but if you are really interested …). If Hugo Chávez is going to buy a handful of new ones, may be we can talk him into lending us one if there is some way of winding the Americans up with it too.
Plus … noto bene please, “Lolita, slave to entertainment” is actually a killer whale held in captivity and turning tricks in Miami. You’d have to be a totally insensitive and braindead to think what those people is doing is right or the audience is worth it. And as they say at trailer’s ends … “Its all about the money” folks.
What is so big, tough, smart and evolved about grown men going out to pick fights with defenseless fishes using explosive harpoons in order to make a buck?
mac said
I cannot post URLs here, so go do a Google or Youtube for “Lolita, slave to entertainment” and you will find it yourself.
Mac: Actually you can, it’s just that the spam-catching software doesn’t like multiple URLs, and sometimes it gets buggy for unknown reasons and rejects notes with just one URL.
But it doesn’t throw them away for 15 days, so I usually go through the trash once a day to see if one got in there by mistake. If any did, I can just post them with a click.
Aceface said
http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/tales-of-saving-whales–42
You know this is really showing how low can a western media be when it’s comes to Japan stories.
ampontan said
After their coverage of this year’s presidential election, it is no longer possible to establish a lower limit on the depths to which the media (in the US, anyway) will sink. The new #4 quote on the right sidebar reflects that.
bender said
Aceface:
Not really, there are some fun ones, too. Like those ones that focus on martial arts, katana, samurai, etc., which deals Japan with respect. I don’t like how the Japanese media is degraded, too. I cringe when I see shows where people mock Europids/Africans or abuse animals. Or cause people to physically suffer in the name of fun. I also abhor the ones that focus on the all-time Japanese favorite: Nihonjinron.
The “scientific whaling” sponsored by the Japanese government is a sham, and I think it’s intellectually indecent to claim it to be jenuwine. Large-scale harvesting disguised as “researches” probably do more harm than good in convincing that whale hunting should be “resumed”. Also, taking whales from antarctic seas is the last thing to do for a country who envisions itself as a “green” leader. Heck, nobody should be allowed to take stuff from the antarctic- let’s not eat patagonian toothfish, guys!
OTOH, since it happens so that “western” nations are composed mostly of Europids and Japan East Asians, it’s difficult to deny that one of the mechanism that drives the controversy is race. So far, the Aussies are not good at showing that race has nothing to do with their anti-whaling stance. Nor have they really shown that the whales being targeted are endangered.
But the Japanese are also doing no better when they start talking about defending their “centuries-old whaling culture”- another intellectually indecent argument. Using this worn-out argument as leverage in claiming that Aussies are “racist” or “cultural imperialist” is kind of indecent, too. That’s not the real argument, is it? It’s not about culture, it’s about how a far a country can go in protecting one’s domestic industry at the expense of other’s tastes. Or maybe it’s not about “taste” anymore when harvesting from antarctic waters. The Japanese should seriously think about this before making this an East v West issue.
Aki said
Mac,
“Listen folks, before the industry PR guys mash your brains, the “acid” was rancid butter stink bombs.”
The acid was butyric acid, not rancid butter, as Paul Watson commented on The Australian.
According to MSDS for butyric acid, acute dermal toxicity (LD50) of butyric acid is 530mg/kg [rabbit], which roughly means you can kill a rabbit that weigh 1 kg by administering 530 mg of butyric acid onto the skin. By simple calculation, it is roughly estimated that a human who weigh 70 kg can be killed by administering about 37 g of butylic acid onto the skin.
Aceface said
“The Japanese should seriously think about this before making this an East v West issue.”
Well,but this is such a case,No?
If any media that buys Watson’s obvious lies like getting shot at by the Japanese whaler boat,why wouldn’t they ask question to Watson for evidence,or take it to the court and prosecute Japanese government fot attempting murder at international waters?
Animal Planet probably wouldn’t make any doc like this on Sea Shepherds,had they were protesting harp seal hunting in Canada.
mac said
Aki … seriously … do you know anything about science or 50% Lethal Dose testing? I offer you the chance to correct your post before I am forced to humiliate anyone in public.
Butyric acid is taken as a food supplement. Butter contains 3-4%. It is made from dairy products (hence its name ‘butter acid’), sugar and bacteria. Do we know anything of what concentration they used?
The bottomline is, it is about money. And the amount of negative PR its generates, which affect Japan across the board and reinforce negative racial stereotypes, is not worth the revenue it gains.
And if we are going to believe in the media … I can just imagine the by-lines now;
Comfort Women Gang Rapists Slaughter Mother and Child Whales in Antarctic
Nanking Deniers Claim Whaleburgers and Dogfood are for Scientific Research
Its Pearl Harbour for Pacific Humpback Whales
Bloody Whaling Captains in Vicious Competition to Murder Most Minke
Conversely, if Japan was to do a U-turn and specialize in eco-tourist whale watching and real science, it would be lauded as a hero and make more money more broadly. To me its just common – business – sense … but its your national reputation and you can screw it if you want.
It makes me ashamed and I am sick of having to make unofficial apologies for you.
bender said
And the amount of negative PR its generates, which affect Japan across the board and reinforce negative racial stereotypes, is not worth the revenue it gains.
Exactly.
Aki said
Mac,
Purchase butyric acid and add it to your butter to make a final concentration of 3%, then try to eat it. You would realize what you yourself said and what your ’science’ is.
You are confusing butyric acid with ester forms of butyrate. Butter contains esters of butyrate, but they and butyric acid are different substances.
fh said
What I find more abhorring than the issue of “negative PR reinforcing stereotypes versus revenue” is the willingness to discard any frame of reference. We’re talking about an external party making its own rules and giving itself authority to act on those rules. Sure, “research whaling” may be a sham insofar as for appearance’s sake, but I seriously doubt any opponent has dilligently studied the other side of the argument.
While to some the thought of whaling conjures up notions of torture, I highly doubt that the whalers go out to sea with the express intention of torturing animals. If opponents show no willingness to understand what drives people to whaling (as the cultural and societal element it is), I see no reason why whalers should respond.
And the argument that the “evil corporation” is responsible is nothing more than a dodge to the issue. If it weren’t for countless “evil corporations”, the world would not be in the state it is as we know it, where people have the luxury of dreaming about animal rights.
It should go without saying that simply paying for an internet connection and posting on a website ties one to a whole string of corporations. You’re welcome to pick and choose which ones you like (as long as your choices are truly informed); just don’t pretend that “corporation is always the problem” based on some half-baked principle you hold.
fh said
Oh, and while we’re at it, with regard to the comment about buying a submarine for Paul Watson: Let’s buy a dozen airplanes for al Qaeda so that they too can do the job properly.
Too far? Well then ask yourself which cause is worth killing for.
Ken said
Haven’t the pirate suspects been caught yet though Japanese authority had prosecuted them already and there is Criminal Delivery Treaty?
Even policemen can be shot as illegal invasion if they put their even part of body in other’s car without search warrent in the US.
Those pirates are imposing on Japanese conflict-avoid character so that Japanese whalers only have to shoot them next time along American rule.
bender said
1. About “culture”: what kind of “traditional whaling culture” would use big steel ships with internal combustion engines that sail to the antarctic and hunt 1,000 whales with explosive harpoons? Were people eating whales in Japan en masse before large-scale industrial whaling began?
2. About “food security”: why should Japan be entitled to take natural resources from antarctic seas for its own food security? Why not other countries? Why can’t Japan trade with other countries for food?- the last time it couldn’t, when Japan was blockaded by the allied forces during WWII, Japan suffered from hunger. Have the Japanese forgot this?
3. Tax money: the sales of whale meat isn’t nearly enough to cover all the costs for “research whaling”- so most of the fund comes from tax money. Is it even worth it? Is that “food security”?
4. Prejudice: yes, racial/cultural prejudice exists. Would “research whaling” help extinguish the prejudice, or will it fuel prejudice?
I kind of think proponents of whaling aren’t really thinking straight, either.
ampontan said
Why should anyone behave in such a way as to curry favor with the ignorant?
Should African-Americans in the US stop celebrating Kwanzaa (an artificial holiday) because it might fuel prejudice among certain white people?
Apart from the question of whaling, “pardon me for living” is not how one should go about his life.
mac said
what kind of “traditional whaling culture” would use big steel ships with internal combustion engines … and explosive harpoons?
… Yup, its as laughable as a “traditional” Native American culture that includes 4×4, semi-automatic assault weapons and smuggling cigarettes over the border.
Why should anyone behave in such a way as to curry favor with the ignorant?
… Whale curry? If they thought it would sell, they would have tried it. Oops … they already have. Cue plug for Tokyo-based ‘Asian Lunch, inc’. http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gcCeUp_7uUHMIsfClNjny-kDOJ1w. For all it matters, it could be soya or gluten based.
Why? Because in the case of industrial whaling … even “the ignorant” are in agreement with the “enlightened” AND the majority of proletariat. I would say, the case for “ignorance” remains against the proponents of whaling. In a recent poll in Chile (not exactly a hot spot of “rights” based politics in recent years), 99 percent wanted to ban whaling operations and 97 percent support the establishment of the Chilean Whale Sanctuary. My guess is that you would find similar figures in all the Western tourists Japan is attempting to attract with its lame Yokoso! campaign.
Just do the mathematics … at $120,000,000 per annum, is the industry worth more than the bad PR? That equals 60,000 tourists.
Putting aside the rights of any sentient being, the ethical question underlying this is; “what rights do the industrialists that seek to exploit slaughter for capital gains of “resources” that are not theirs nor on their property? That is the theft and piracy of our commonwealth. The other analogy fails … the whale meat industry is the ‘Al Qaeda of the High Seas’. I’ll go back to writing my tabloid headlines …
Whacky Kamikaze Whalers in Direct Hit on Own National Economics
Extreme Nationalists Torpedo Dive Tourist Drive
Japanese Historical Revisionists Claim Numbers of Whales Murdered “Greatly Exaggerated”
Its Not Whaling … its the ‘Greater East Antarctic Prosperity Zone’
mac said
I was only allowed one URL, so accept my apology for this second post.
We are not alone … Funnily enough, Tomohiko Taniguchi, from the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Tokyo, has expressed his views on Japan’s controversial whaling activities. He reported that of the hundreds of matters he had to deal with, that the one he dreaded most was defending Japanese whaling programs. “I was being summoned by CNN, BBC and ABC on this issue far more than any other issue, ” Taniguchi says. “ I hated this issue because there’s no point in Japan sticking to its position.”
Since July, no longer an employed official, he is free to speak his mind. And he does. “The Japanese whaling industry … is tiny … it accounts for less than one-tenth the value of the country’s annual market for toothbrushes … Japan has nil national interest in the whaling industry,” Taniguchi continues,” The stake for Japan is near zero … this issue is doing substantial damage to Japan’s image in Australia, the US, Canada, the UK, New Zealand. ” Even Aso made fun of the whaling industry’s pretensions to scientific legitimacy.
If China has Tibet, the US has Guantanamo Bay … Japan has whaling.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/peter-hartcher/japans-fading-appetite-for-a-fight/2008/11/20/1226770639938.html
Japanese Industry Claims Antarctica was Always Part of Japan: Evidence Shows Standard of Living for Whales Has Increased Since Industrial Whaling Started
Aceface said
Whaling and preservation of the catacean species shall be discussed at International Whaling Committee where ther’s annual meeting.Why are we allowing such threatening direct action by Sea Shepherds and never ending shower of media distortion is beyond me.
Aki said
Those who don’t have even highshool-level knowledge on science can talk about science by parrotting pseudo-science from eco-loons like Sea Shepherd. For the massive amount of wanna-be intellectuals in mass society, whaling is no doubt a good issue to stick to.
bender said
Apart from the question of whaling, “pardon me for living” is not how one should go about his life.
Sure, but the Japanese can perfectly live w/o consuming whales…whale-eating is so post-WWII “ko-do seicho-ki” stuff.
Ken said
As Australia seem to have made out what is right and what is wrong, she began disturbing those pirates.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24675552-23109,00.html
But their having prepared bullet-proof vests is good prediction previous to my suggestion.
By the way, I wonder if these pirates shall starve to die without hunting the intellectual or threatened species even if meat runs short by population expansion, BSE, etc.
mac said
Let’s try another headline …
“Comfort Whales Sold by Own Parents”, claims Ikuhiko Hata. “There is No Evidence to Suggest the Japanese Government Exploded the Harpoon” (… because they already shredded it.
Aki, you did not get back to us about what dilution they were using for their stink bombs. I am fairly sure, albeit unscientifically, that any human being coming into contact with butter acid would not have their heads clamped down to a laboratory table and a full body shave first before being force fed with tubes. Let us not give Paul ideas … antarctic whalers are not nudists. Their bodies are protected.
I suppose if the “traditional” Japanese were to row down to the Antarctic, spear a whale and then drag it back to Taiji to eat, I would not have such a big issue with them. To be honest, Sea Shepherd never entered my consciousness until I came to Japan.
But, you see, as soon as you engage internal combustion engines and high explosive weaponry, that is white man’s territory and the white man has gone through a couple of hundred years of evolution since The Enlightenment that Japan, in its rush to modernity from a feudal, animist, plant based society has missed out on.
You see, the pattern goes … industrial revolution … conscienceless exploitation of resources … social and philosophical reform … the extension of morals and ethics towards the natural environment. The extension of rights to other complex sentient being are at the very cutting edge of that. It took us time to grasp too so we are compassion towards turbo-charged neanderthals still working out their spear chucking genes.
Its funny, it took Japan a 150 years later than Great Britain to develop a vegetarian society … yet the leaders of it are not even vegetarian and still eat fish.
ampontan said
I’m not so sure about that. See this explanation.
Get a Job, Son! said
Mac… Aki’s science is basically correct. Butyric acid is not the same as its esters or triglycerides. It is interesting that 37g delivered by the skin is dangerous. As you say Mac, they are protected with clothing, but this would be for warmth and waterproofing. Not really chemical resistant. It could splash on the face, eyes etc and go behing the clohing further.
All in all, not a nice thing to do to anyone.
Comments about “their heads clamped down to a laboratory table and a full body shave first before being force fed with tubes” is just your emotive spin, and not constructive.
Ken (@60) also provides a good link to news on the Sea Shephard and thier attitdues. The following are from that article…
*** Mr Watson said he was extensively questioned by officials when he arrived at Sydney Airport last week .
“They held me for an hour and a half and asked me where I was going, what my business was, who I was going to meet with, what my appointments were, who I was going to talk to,” Mr Watson said.
“Mr Watson wasn’t interviewed by Customs last week but would have been processed through normal immigration channels,” she (immigration spokesperson) added.
… and this is the same treatment I get travelling to the UK, Australia, the US… and returning to Japan!… so whats the problem?
Does the Sea Shephard staff want special treatment? Are they worried/paranoid about people questioning thier actions?
mac said
Headline … headline … read all about it …
Korean Whalers Claim, “Its Not Our Fault, the Japanese Made Us Do It”
Russian Whalers Reply, “We Had to Do It Otherwise the Japs Would have Done It First”
What I am doing is lampooning (rather than explosive harpooning), the media exploitation of the ignorance of the general populace who could not tell it apart from 100% near hydrochloric acid in an editorial. What I have stated is fair, when butter goes rancid, butyric acid is liberated by hydrolysis leading to the unpleasant odor. Its not going to burn holes in the deck.
Ditto, I am ridiculing the media spin, or Aki’s exaggeration, by relating it to head clamping “50% Lethal Dose” testing, as illustrated above. I suppose they could have used simply used diesel or some other bacterial mixture but then they would have been accused of firebombing or germ warfare. What I do not understand is, where does industry get the belief that it has a God given right to exploit what and where it wants?
The British Vegetarian Society was formed in 1847, the Japan Vegetarian Society was officially founded in 2001. The leader is not even vegetarian.
Aki said
mac,
Butyric acid that you call ‘butter acid’ is sold as a pure chemical (≥99% pure). It is an organic liquid that can be readily mixed with water.
According to Sea Shepherd’s Webpage, “(t)he Sea Shepherd crew has successfully delivered six liters of butyric acid onto the flensing deck of the Nisshin Maru”. Scientifically, “six liters of butyric acid” means six liters of pure butyric acid. Pure butyric acid looks as an organic solvent. Correspondingly, the liquid thrown at the Nisshin Maru looks to be an organic solvent.
Butyric acid have the following effect on human being, according to <a href=”Material Safety Data Sheet for butyric acid.
“What I am doing is lampooning (rather than explosive harpooning), the media exploitation of the ignorance of the general populace who could not tell it apart from 100% near hydrochloric acid in an editorial.”
100% hydrochloric acid? You mean hydrogen chloride? If you meant hydrochloric acid, you, as an authority of science, should have written as 38 percent or so.
bender said
If you eat fish, you’re not a veggie. Fish is not a vegetable.
Ken said
Not only the point which GTJS explained but also their having prepared bullet-proof vests is important.
Because those pirates are recognizing that their conducts deserve gun fight.
bender said
Because those pirates are recognizing that their conducts deserve gun fight.
Is it that serious? I think the Japanese government is making a good laugh of itself by responding too seriously do those clowns.
mac said
No, Aki, what I meant is 100% neat Hydrochloric Acid (that was a typo on “near”). Any reader reading that would know what it means, 100%, full strength, Hydrochloric Acid rather than a weaker dilution.
Like I said, we do not ‘know’ what concentration of what the Sea Shepherd folks were throwing as stink bombs. All that we ‘know’ is that the “acid word” was being hyped up out of all proportion by industry friendly blogs and – paid lots to advertise – media.
a) How scientifically credible is the commercial dog food supplier called ‘Institute of Cetacean Research’ (whose site you linked to)?
b) How socially credible is any corporate interest representative calling environmentalists “terrorists”?
… and let’s not mention the mercury levels 10 to 16 times more than advised by the Health Ministry.
mac said
In terms of joke newspaper headlines, the ICR (whose start up costs were met by commercial whalers Kyodo Senpaku) do not need any help.
Amidst their PR war, they attacked Australia for claiming two whales photographed as they were dragged bleeding into the whale processing vessel Yushin Maru were mother and baby.
“The two whales were unrelated“, ICR director general Minoru Morimoto said, “ and the variance in size showed only ‘random sampling’ in practice. ”
Oh. That is OK then. They were mother and someone else’s baby ( … and, scientifically speaking, whale babies make nice shashimi)!!!
mac said
I found an interesting survey done by Nippon Research Center, Ltd for Greenpeace on what Japan actually thinks and knows about the whaling program, e.g. “90% of respondents did not know the Japanese government spends 500 Million Yen plus a year on it”
http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/international/press/reports/whaling-poll-japan.pdf
There is a second one for 2008 but I am limited to one URL here. Do a Google for the title; Opinion Poll on Research Whaling Year 2008.
bender said
The pdf file looks like it was translated from Japanese. It’s interesting how you can tell.
Example: page 6 “The below table shows…” which must be direct translation of Japanese “Ika no hyo ga shimesu yo-ni”, or confusion of where “below” should come, which English speakers sometimes mistake, too:
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/belowtable.html
But I got to say when I read or hear “the below table“, I get a strange sensation in my head- so I vote for the first one.
Also the tendency to use present tense instead of past tense. Page 8: “Among all the participants, 35% agree”.
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